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    The treaty may not come about as Spain is now insisting that it will not ratify the treaty with the Gibraltar question being dealt with.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46267684
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    Chaps Brits are "Roast Beefs", to the French, and Italians are "spaghettis", etcetera, all are about food, there is nothing derogatory in any reference.

    Germany has not been allowed to become a threat because it was disarmed.

    I'm surprised you don't know any of this.

    So deflate and answer.

    You've again deftly avoided the question I've put to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ducmon View Post
    The treaty may not come about as Spain is now insisting that it will not ratify the treaty with the Gibraltar question being dealt with.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46267684
    I think they were misreading the text and Barnier is putting them right on it, the mind boggles
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    I watch and read a lot of stuff about WW2 as my Dad did the full 6 years from a young man aged 19 to a 25 year old man who had probably see more than any man should. The EU was devised to stop France and Germany killing each other but has developed into a socialist superstate now pressing forward with an EU Army.
    We owe France and Germany NOTHING and the War may have been a long time ago but not for those who lived through it and are still with us. There are cracks appearing in the EU with Spain starting their claims on Gibraltar and no doubt Ireland will see this an opportunity to have a United Ireland and others will then look to see "whats in it for them". These are not rational pragmatic people they are Politicians and will happily see chaos and mayhem for their principles and beliefs that we pay for. We approached these negotiations far too timidly and apologetically and they EU see May as a soft touch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowley_1812 View Post
    I must agree with you there Thomas as the implied comparison is both shallow and facile.

    Being derogatory and disrespectful serves nobody well and at the very least affords little credit to the initiator.
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    Rowley the shallowness is from your side, as with your continued superior, facile, indirect replies.

    Carrying old baggage into new discussions is not productive.

    Try instead to answer the questions.

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    The last war was a long way back? You have short memories, not all survivors of those wars have died yet.

    But they appear that they have, in your minds.

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    Macron is taking steps to strengthen the stranglehold.

    Read between the lines chaps. There is an underlying urgency to his shaky argument. He's concerned we might team up with Uncle Sam against him in some future imagined conflict.

    His enemies are terrorists generated by unintelligent attacks on Iraq, Iran, Libya, etc.

    Whereas his true allies and saviours will again be the Brits, and possibly the Yanks once France is under new management, since he's alienating them now.

    Great salesman - by scaremongering:

    Source, courtesy of ducmon: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46254393

    "Our true strength lies in unity'

    The French leader spoke of nationalist forces "with no memory", and urged progressive forces to unite in an uncertain world.

    "There are too many powers that wish to thwart us, that interfere in our public debates, attack our liberal democracies and are trying to pit us against each other," he said. "And in this global order, which we have to take very seriously, our strength - our true strength - lies in unity."
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    Read and think this over carefully chaps, it's the complete removal of individual countries' ability to self govern. And to relinquish their budgets to "Brussels" - home of the Fourth Reich?

    A smiling, friendly, feminine one!

    Germany's military might will be restored finally.

    Not a bad thing.

    But those of our leaders who vanquished Germany wanted to ensure that Germany and Japan could never be a military threat to anyone again.

    Monsieur Macron is a puppet.

    Herr Juncker has already selected and appointed his successor.

    Who: Herr Selmayr.

    There will be no democratic vote again.

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    Thomas those who believe they have voted MPs to do all that for them deserve to be overlooked in future since this is their wish, as little responsibility as possible, an easy life, no conflict, just roll over and bend over.

    We deeper thinkers with longer memories and more experiences and much more responsibility to secure our children's future, our country's future, self-respect, self-defence, economic growth have no such wish.

    Our children's future is more important to us than our own and we have voted for their best future, in full confidence that Britain's recovery from being a fully controlled subservient underdog of today will be achieved as stronger British minds and backs of all races pull on their oars. Something that few politicians, not even Vince Cable, are able.

    Our prediction is best for them, not the childish wish to have no visa or to pay less for their holidays, or fear (or wish) that we will keep out all immigrants.

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    It takes a foreigner living abroad to see what is our true predicament objectively:

    Source, courtesy of Jimbov8: https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/10/...o-save-brexit/
    "It’s pretty hard for Britain’s friends, here in Australia, to make sense of the mess that’s being made of Brexit. The referendum result was perhaps the biggest-ever vote of confidence in the United Kingdom, its past and its future. But the British establishment doesn’t seem to share that confidence and instead looks desperate to cut a deal, even if that means staying under the rule of Brussels. Looking at this from abroad, it’s baffling: the country that did the most to bring democracy into the modern world might yet throw away the chance to take charge of its own destiny.

    Let’s get one thing straight: a negotiation that you’re not prepared to walk away from is not a negotiation — it’s surrender. It’s all give and no get. When David Cameron tried to renegotiate Britain’s EU membership, he was sent packing because Brussels judged (rightly) that he’d never actually back leaving. And since then, Brussels has made no real concessions to Theresa May because it judges (rightly, it seems) that she’s desperate for whatever deal she can get.

    The EU’s palpable desire to punish Britain for leaving vindicates the Brexit project. Its position, now, is that there’s only one ‘deal’ on offer, whereby the UK retains all of the burdens of EU membership but with no say in setting the rules. The EU seems to think that Britain will go along with this because it’s terrified of no deal. Or, to put it another way, terrified of the prospect of its own independence.

    But even after two years of fearmongering and vacillation, it’s not too late for robust leadership to deliver the Brexit that people voted for. It’s time for Britain to announce what it will do if the EU can’t make an acceptable offer by March 29 next year — and how it would handle no deal. Freed from EU rules, Britain would automatically revert to world trade, using rules agreed by the World Trade Organization. It works pretty well for Australia. So why on earth would it not work just as well for the world’s fifth-largest economy?

    A world trade Brexit lets Britain set its own rules. It can say, right now, that it will not impose any tariff or quota on European produce and would recognise all EU product standards. That means no border controls for goods coming from Europe to Britain. You don’t need to negotiate this: just do it. If Europe knows what’s in its own best interests, it would fully reciprocate in order to maintain entirely free trade and full mutual recognition of standards right across Europe."
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    This is a no-brainer!

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    La España takes advantage for blackmail: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46267684

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    We all have common enemies:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46273612

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_S-V6_2004 View Post
    We all have common enemies:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46273612

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    We certainly do. Well “we” do, I’m sure our future PM would sympathise with the perpetrator -just fighting for their human right to oppress others after all, rather like he’d like to infact.

    Just come back from a trip over in Israel. The Easy Jet flight was a joy of multiculturalism. We had a dozen or so devout Muslims, a couple of parties of Christian pilgrims and every flavour of Jew imaginable. Everyone was chatting and getting along great.
    If only we could do away with some of our political leaders, especially the Middle Eastern ones, the world would be a much better place.

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