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    Climate change action closes London sights:
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...170804803.html

    When they started this pollution scaremongery the politicians didn't see this coming. CO2 from cars... Power stations? Shipping? Electric ships dragging water turbines behind them? All manufacturing, engineering? Home heating? Hospitals? Cremations?

    Hohoho, Jo!

    2020? 2030? 2040?

    When a power station takes 8 to 12 years to build and commission, and nobody wants nuclear? We need to replace how many existing power stations before we can add additional capacity to charge electric cars?

    You can count them for yourselves here:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ons_in_England

    If this results in government taking action, whichever party is in power, the cost will be on who?

    Us!!

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    Perhaps things aren't so grim:
    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...half-a-century

    There are apparently only 7 remaining coal fired power stations, providing only 5% of the UK's power generation.

    For several.months last year and in 2017 they produced even less.

    The energy from coal peaked in 2012 at 40% and has been reduced dramatically since then. One of the power stations, Cottam, will close in September. The remaining 6 will be closed by 2025.

    What will replace them in time?

    This might: http://www.bbc.com/future/story/2018...o-green-energy

    So are the climate change activists battling for nothing, since the stations are few and will be shut down?

    Any fuel producing combustion will generate heat and CO2, and it's not made clear if that from gas and "bio fuel" will be less than from coal.

    But they want absolutely Zero "greenhouse gas" Emissions! That's not just CO2.

    I think we should join them.

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    Hello Jim,

    that is not really anything like the whole picture.
    It is reckless nonsense to shut the remaining coal power staions to a specific deadline.
    They produce little power on average (So little CO2), but last years winter they were producing a quarter of our demand at times of extreme cold. Gas supply is stressed at that time as most of the supply goes for home heating. Renewables at that time were producing virtually nothing. The media never report such instances and rely on reporting averages which in a system such as the grid doesn't really reflect the real situation. It is instantaneous demand that matters and what can meet it. Coal can be stockpiled at the stations, gas is an essential fuel and without coal we will have put all our eggs in one basket.

    What will replace them , there is little interest from investors in real generating plant as they are forced to run uneconomically due to the renewables obligation which puts them(renewable generators) at the head of the queue as suppliers. The governmenst, present and past, are sleepwalking into an ever increasingly unsecure power supply. Incidentally, the hours that they quote without coal doesn't mean that the boilers are shut down, merely the generators are not connected to the grid. As it takes days to shut down a boiler and turbine and days to restart them, if there is a chance that their capacity is required they are on hot stand by (Producing CO2 for no benefit).

    Drax is the biggest lie going, it produces more CO2 than coal per Megawatt hour. The fuel comes from razing large forests in America and Canada, converting that lumber to wood pellets, in itself intensive in power consumption and so CO2 then shipped to Yorkshire. They say it's carbon neutral, as the forest will be replanted, yes but that takes decades without forests that would naturally sequester CO2. Can't they do any arithmetic?

    They want zero CO2 but there is no way it is possible without reverting back to medieval times. Nuclear could shoulder a large proportion of it but the same people who say we have twelve years to save the planet are set against it.

    We need a new government, one with some common sense.

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    The smart meter people have a young lady on their advert who wants to live in a world with polar bears.

    She should try telling that to the Russian weather scientists who were attacked by polar bears in their hut.

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    There will always be polar bears. Whilever Fox's make Glacier Mints anyway.
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    OK ... this is a lengthy thread and much has been posted over time, I cannot admit to having read it all, but let's take time out and refer back to Jim's #1 post and consequent views dating back to Sept 2017.

    Can anyone honestly now still be of the view that "this planet cannot be even slightly affected by us in comparison to its own immense internal energies and external forces"?


    Deforestation.

    Burning deforested land.

    Increased fossil fuel pollution.

    Aviation pollution.

    Rising sea levels.

    Increasing CO2 in the atmosphere.

    Climate change.

    Global warming.

    Or is it still ....

    ... Nah, let's all keep our heads in the sand and deny it's all happening!!


    Has anyone really got an alternative sensible, logical, realistic argument that disproves the creeping, long-lasting and potentially irreversible destruction that we are (arguably) causing to our planet?


    Is it really all in the imagination of scientists and researchers?


    Let's be honest ... I very much doubt it !?!

    So there might just be some truth in the theory that we are contributing to the gradual exterpation of the world as we and our forefathers have known it ...
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    Hello Rowley,

    if you accept what the media you will get a very pessimistic view of what seems (but isn't) happening.

    Yes, things are changing and yes we have, in some small way affected them. Deforestation is one that we have affected, however the world is now a greener place than twenty years ago, thanks to CO2.

    The real dispute is how much CO2 affects the climate and there are opposing views on that by specialists in that field. This is normal for climate and many other subjects. Experts have their own views and reasons for coming to completely different conclusions. Unfotunately politic has reared it's ugly head and taken control of the AGW hypothesis. Specifically wealth redistribution.

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    Rowley the point has always been that it cannot be neutralised and then reversed.

    Don't you get it?

    Get all countries to stop burning coal for power, get them to stop flights, get them to stop shipping, and so on.

    German companies are building 20+ coal fired power stations in the Philippines despite coal bans at home.

    China? Russia? Ex-USSR?

    Futile. You cannot resist!

    The climate demonstrators are kids who haven't thought of what happens next, and hangers on who are there for the fun.

    And what are we talking about? 2°C rise which has happened countless times before, even higher, 30+°C peaks to troughs if I remember, and no doubt will again, with return to cooler temps too. Man has lived through those. And will again.

    Now it's all hype.and scaremongering.

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    But Alec ... there remain those who are not convinced that increased CO2 in our atmosphere (ie. global greening) is good. So let's not get carried away with the positivity factor of the world being a greener place, because nobody really and truly knows what that means or where it will take us.

    And yes Jim, I do get it thanks, but my point to which you conveniently avoided responding was reference your statement in #1 ... 19 months ago ... so I'll highlight it again for you ...


    Quote Originally Posted by Rowley_1812 View Post
    Can anyone honestly now still be of the view that "this planet cannot be even slightly affected by us in comparison to its own immense internal energies and external forces"?

    Are you still of the same view?
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