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    Loss of traction?

    Are our cars a bit more prone to losing traction at the rear than others, or do I have a tyre problem?

    A few times now, I have had the back end lose traction - usually from a standing start where I am also turning (say out of a junction), and more often it is on wet roads - but tonight it did it in a straight line on a dry road. I've been driving rear wheel drive motors for donkey's years, so there is nothing scary in what is happening as it is well within my capabilities to handle it, but given that the temps are only just now starting to drop really, I am a wee bit concerned how I will fare when it gets icy.

    I have Pirelli P-Zero's fitted (19" Performance alloys) with a good tread depth and tyre pressures regularly checked.

    Trait of the car, or trait of the tyres?
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    How old are the tyres?
    I have now got some aged pirellis on the back and have to be steady on the throttle off the line/turns. They are 5 years ish from the codes on them
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    2017 and easy got 5mm on them. Don't get me wrong, I don't exactly hang about, but I am not hooning about all over the place either. I kinda expect a wee bit of spin and drift if I pull away hard in the wet, but today was quite ridiculous - I was pulling away at the roundabout on the link below, and I was turning left (although going for the outer lane on the left turn so going ahead then left if that makes sense), and whilst I did go for a gap, it definitely wasn't a racing start.

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    On a dry road I would not expect what you say to happen. Are all your bushes okay , Quite a long time ago I had advisories about bushes, no issue MOT wise but my indy Chris the jag specialist showed me the issue and replaced what was required. I was amazed at the improvement in handling particularly when moving off from a standing start where a turn was required , just a thought.
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    My S type does this, with cheapo rubber on the back


    Made my Discovery shout the TC light at me exiting a junction!!

    Just goes to show!!

    Even 4x4's aren't immune!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbizet View Post
    On a dry road I would not expect what you say to happen. Are all your bushes okay , Quite a long time ago I had advisories about bushes, no issue MOT wise but my indy Chris the jag specialist showed me the issue and replaced what was required. I was amazed at the improvement in handling particularly when moving off from a standing start where a turn was required , just a thought.
    That is a good point actually - I do think one of them might be needing looked at as it was an advisory on an MOT (last year but not on this years one oddly). Was it an expensive job?

    Unrelated, but I also have a feeling I have an engine mounting starting to go as I get a vibration at around 1900 or so revs, so there is probably quite a bit of rubber bushes in need of replacement.
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    It wasn't expensive but like all things Jag some bushes are more expensive than others, what has impressed me is that the replacements are lasting a lot longer than the originals, It was good to be shown the issue and I was amazed at the improvement in handling, I have to say the XJ is much better than the s type was , but | still try and avoid driving in snow with it, cannot justify the extra cost of a set of winter wheels just wish they did all year round tyres in our size. Mine is still on Pirelli P Zeros even though they are rather expensive.
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    May be a bit of everything FC, although Keith makes a good point.

    She's a big car, plenty of power, RWD and fat tyres...never the best combo, especially in the wet and or just a tad too enthusiastic.

    That said, I used to love Pirelli's, but please check if it's the ones I'm thinking of they may be B rated for wet grip, E for fuel efficiency and 73db noise rated?

    I have the Falken Azenis FK510 on my car, they're A rated / E / 70db or also Avon ZZ5 A rated / E / 71db as possibles ( Use the Avons on the X type )

    Not everyones cup of tea I know, but I used to run mine down to around between 4mm - 5mm and then buy a new set ( getting a great deal ) and then sell my old set as useable spares / track days etc for around £120 there or thereabouts.
    It wasn't that much more expensive and I always pretty much had more or less new rubber on the car too.

    Hope to hear how you get on / if you get to the bottom of it
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    It is the ones you are thinking of Jim, and I am not overly struck by them if I am being honest. I used to like a Pirelli back in the day as they could generally be relied on to stick to the road like sh*t to a blanket, but these ones seem to have a much harder compound.

    I ran Falkens on my X-Type and Passat and really liked them, so they don't scare me at all, and I had a set of ZZ5's fitted to the Qashqai not long after I bought it, and they were a good tyre too (oddly, all those years ago when Pirelli seemed to be good, Avon's were known as ditch finders!)

    There is a bit of me that is reluctant to go for new tyres as there is tons of tread left on these, and I am reasonably confident that I can control most things that arise from any loss of traction (if I can handle double-deckers and coaches slip-sliding about, I think I should be OK with a car!), and I am not a hoon-about merchant either; but, there is the other side of me also thinks that the fact that I am asking the question kind of suggests that I have a feeling something isn't right, and as you know my cars always have been and always will be absolutely spot on in terms of brakes, suspension, lights and tyres.

    Some thinking to do.....
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    Somebody will buy the pirelli from you on the ebay for absolute certain.
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