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    Circumstances possibly forcing a change

    Long story short, it is looking like I am going to have to economise somewhat, and the current 4.2 V8 doesn't really sit well with that (not least thanks to the VED).

    Nothing set in stone, but I have seen quite a nice 65 plate XF 2.0d, only 20 quid a year to tax, so is the baby Diesel - any opinions on these as a day to day Runner?

    XE also a possibility, but not sure I like them
    Current steed - 2017 XF 2.0d [180] Portfolio in Rosello Red with more toys than Hamleys.....

    ex - 2002 X-Type 2.5 V6; 1995 XJ Sport 3.2; 1998 Mercedes C180 Elegance; VW Passat 2.0TDI (140); Audi A4 Avant 2.0TDI; Nissan Qashqai 1.5dCi; 2007 XJ 4.2 V8 Sovereign; and very occasionally an Electric Wheelchair!

    It wasn't me! A big boy done it and ran away.

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    Hi yes I drive an xf 2.0d portfolio 2016. while doing my question time with the sales adviser, I was very surprised to find that the VED is only £30 a year. And to my horror I also discovered that it had NO CD player. So look closely and ask questions. Wish you the best for your search, and purchase.
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    Thanks - I am actually not too fussed about a CD Player, as I have most of my music stored as MP3, so as long as I could stream from my phone or use a USB stick that would do.

    I see there is two engine power ratings, with the 163bhp being £20 a year to tax and the 180bhp being £30 a year to tax, so both are good. I wonder if the 163bhp would be a bit of a wet lettuce?

    The original plan was that I would keep my XJ and let her retire with me, but truthfully running the V8 is becoming hurtful, especially when I have to do a lot of urban running. Which brings me to my next question (that I might duplicate in the XF section), how do these diesels cope with urban running - do DPF's suffer or does the AdBlue technology help with that?
    Current steed - 2017 XF 2.0d [180] Portfolio in Rosello Red with more toys than Hamleys.....

    ex - 2002 X-Type 2.5 V6; 1995 XJ Sport 3.2; 1998 Mercedes C180 Elegance; VW Passat 2.0TDI (140); Audi A4 Avant 2.0TDI; Nissan Qashqai 1.5dCi; 2007 XJ 4.2 V8 Sovereign; and very occasionally an Electric Wheelchair!

    It wasn't me! A big boy done it and ran away.

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    Interestingly I am in a similar postion with my petrol XF vey high VED which feels like highway robbery! and not great mpg although probably a bit better than your V8. I may consider an XE diesel, I too am attracted by the lower running costs although yet to make a final decission. I think I would only consider the 180 engine as not sure the lower output unit would have enough power although I may be wrong, I guess the best way is to test drive both variants. I would miss the CD but think I could get my head round the alternatives ways for playing music. I am not too keen on the interiors of the latest Jags -seem very minimalist with no wood or chrome to speak of, having said that sat in an XE yesterday and I warmed to the interior a little.

    Don't know much about diesels but I think the ad-blue is designed to reduce the NOx gases they produce. I think the coventional wisdom still says diesels don't like a diet of just short start/stop driving which can cause dpf problems and they need longer faster runs for optimum performance. I probably drive on the motorway at least once a fortnight but only for about 20 miles so not sure if this is enough although I do a fair amount of driving on out of town A roads too. I am still at the research stage of the process but intending to take a couple of test drives in the near future.
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    Hey FC, sorry to hear about the possible change, but these things happen. I know you love your car and she's well looked after and so won't be easy to let go, but needs must n all....

    The XF is a very nice and capable car, of course you won't get the admiration that you do with yours, but still very nice. A good friend of mine recently bought one and loves her to bits

    I'd say you'd really want to be looking at the 180bhp for sure, possible even remap it at some point for more bhp / torque and even better mpg figures when driven normally

    Fuel economy is good, the adblue will help but you'll still have to take decent runs regularly, regular oil changes etc and all should be ok, make sure to get a decent spec'd one, Portfolio perhaps

    The XF guys will give you more specifics probably soon, good luck

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    Aye, I am reluctant, but there are a few factors at play here - - one of those is the fact that whilst XJ has been a fairly reliable beast, the fact is that I have been guddling with it every handful of weeks since getting it. Nothing serious has gone wrong - yet.... but it is the yet that is worrying me. I still haven't managed to get the gearbox service done, nor change the diff oil, and I am just about to change the auxiliary coolant pump which is likely not to fully solve the problem and then lead onto a heater matrix, then there is the perennial wiper problem and a couple of other 'niggles'. If she were to let something big go, I would be royally stuffed.

    But, the key change is that bus services around our way have changed or are changing, so our usual routine of me dropping Mrs C at a bus stop on my way to work just isn't working consistently now - quite often I am having to drive on and take her to work, before doubling back to my own work.

    I will need to measure the journeys that we do, but they are a mixture of residential type streets, a wee bit of country(ish) road, dual carriageway (50mph) and general urban work now down to 20mph, so diesel is a concern if DPF's are likely to block.

    Currently, I am only finding 163bhp cars with the sort of spec I would be looking at - I have seen a couple of 180's, but truthfully they are either naff spec, or have interiors that are not to my taste, or just have that 'look' where you know they have been neglected.

    Maybe I am barking up the wrong tree, and should just sit it out with the petrol consumption......
    Current steed - 2017 XF 2.0d [180] Portfolio in Rosello Red with more toys than Hamleys.....

    ex - 2002 X-Type 2.5 V6; 1995 XJ Sport 3.2; 1998 Mercedes C180 Elegance; VW Passat 2.0TDI (140); Audi A4 Avant 2.0TDI; Nissan Qashqai 1.5dCi; 2007 XJ 4.2 V8 Sovereign; and very occasionally an Electric Wheelchair!

    It wasn't me! A big boy done it and ran away.

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    Just measured - short journey of five miles, rises to eleven miles if I have to take Mrs C to work, with the latter 6 miles of that being pure town work, so not likely to make a DPF happy. Maybe this is why Jaguar are struggling, as their smaller petrols just don't cut the mustard when it comes to fuel efficiency, and the diesels are no good for us city dwellers
    Current steed - 2017 XF 2.0d [180] Portfolio in Rosello Red with more toys than Hamleys.....

    ex - 2002 X-Type 2.5 V6; 1995 XJ Sport 3.2; 1998 Mercedes C180 Elegance; VW Passat 2.0TDI (140); Audi A4 Avant 2.0TDI; Nissan Qashqai 1.5dCi; 2007 XJ 4.2 V8 Sovereign; and very occasionally an Electric Wheelchair!

    It wasn't me! A big boy done it and ran away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fat controller View Post
    I have seen a couple of 180's, but truthfully they are either naff spec, or have interiors that are not to my taste, or just have that 'look' where you know they have been neglected.
    Always the way, if you weren't in a position to buy you know there would be a dozen for sale, the moment you actively start looking - nothing The right one will turn up in time and at least your not having your hand forced by a broken car into compromising so you can be patient.

    Has the XJ got to be a part-ex to make the numbers stack up? If not, it would be tempting to try and find somewhere under cover to SORN it and park it up until better financial times?

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    Yes the mp3 player will connect to the USB socket, under the central storage. I did buy a mp3 player, and must admit it is a better than messing about with cds. Can't help with the mileage (Urban) however, I do manage High 50s per gallon on a run. A trip from Derby to Exeter 235 miles each way, been back two weeks. With running about, mostly urban, and still have one third of a tank left. Hope that's helpful.
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    DPFs are really bad news, short journeys make them worse. Our Indy Jag specialist hates them. The Jaguar DPFs are one of the more troublesome ones he says.

    Some makes are better / worse than others........I had the worst, the Nissan X Trail so troublesome that it had to be gutted in a way not visible so it still passed MOT.

    Personally I would never buy another diesel. In your position I would look for something acceptable in Petrol

    Separate question but what happened to LPG? Never hear much of it now.

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