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    Police using "Geo Fencing" techniques to catch bad guys... Google Spy...

    Just watched a program on this. Seems some Police Forces are using a request to Google for information from the tracking devices on Android phones to check who might have been close to a crime scene. Whether you are a criminal or not, if you use a Google App to track your steps, or route, or even Google Maps the Police can request that information and Google have to hand it over. So if you passed a site where there was a break in and you were passing at the time you are now a suspect...

    So it's not about them proving you guilty anymore, it's even more about you proving your innocence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost it View Post
    Just watched a program on this. Seems some Police Forces are using a request to Google for information from the tracking devices on Android phones to check who might have been close to a crime scene. Whether you are a criminal or not, if you use a Google App to track your steps, or route, or even Google Maps the Police can request that information and Google have to hand it over. So if you passed a site where there was a break in and you were passing at the time you are now a suspect...

    So it's not about them proving you guilty anymore, it's even more about you proving your innocence.

    Worrying?
    The phone itself also carries enough data too, you didn't see the murderer that was caught due to the data from a fitbit?

    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/04/u...ing/index.html

    Apple iOS devices hold/record location data of every single place that device has ever been and how many times/dates etc, along with GPS coordinates and even plots them on a map for each location (this can be turned off, but how many people actually do or know that they exist?).

    I think it's great if you're law enforcement to get hold of this type of data as it's another line of enquiry that was just never there in the past, but what are the companies themselves doing with it is what you want to ask as they do make it all the more harder all the time for law enforcement to actually get hold of it.
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    Having worked for 8 years in Digital Forensics specialising in mobile devices etc. you would be amazed on what is stored in your phones and other devices... and yes even cars.....

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    I started on the internet perhaps like the rest of us when the internet was perceived as completely insecure. Not sure when that perception changed, if it did.

    I still have that view and use the internet as a public place.

    So I won't have services running on devices that I don't wish to share.

    I think the main part of the problem is that default settings are often open, relying on the user to close down unwanted services, or the installation prompts the user into starting closed services and setting them running permanently again.

    If the user doesn't fully appreciate the settings, security will be poor.

    The problem increases if you rely on your phone during jewelry shop ram raids. Communication to other gang members can save valuable seconds needed for success.

    Precautions must be taken to set your cloud services access to geo data, off, so that other phone users in the area will be sentenced on your behalf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jag-Black View Post
    I started on the internet perhaps like the rest of us when the internet was perceived as completely insecure. Not sure when that perception changed, if it did.

    I still have that view and use the internet as a public place.

    So I won't have services running on devices that I don't wish to share.

    I think the main part of the problem is that default settings are often open, relying on the user to close down unwanted services, or the installation prompts the user into starting closed services and setting them running permanently again.

    If the user doesn't fully appreciate the settings, security will be poor.

    The problem increases if you rely on your phone during jewelry shop ram raids. Communication to other gang members can save valuable seconds needed for success.

    Precautions must be taken to set your cloud services access to geo data, off, so that other phone users in the area will be sentenced on your behalf.
    Or you can just use a burner phone
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    Never had a problem with my mobile.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by payno View Post
    Or you can just use a burner phone
    Good call. Do you get caught much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by payno View Post
    Or you can just use a burner phone
    People usually get caught with a burner phone by calling other known suspects. It's not always a full proof way of doing things.
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