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    Premium Sound Retrofit – Extended Version

    First off big thanks to everyone who helped make this possible, great examples from Buck, bigbear and of course x-dave. So many others have been helpful, if I start naming names i'll surely forget someone...

    OK, i’ve been talking about this one long enough (has it really been six months?, finally collected the bits & got my plan together, so here it is. Because of time constraints, and the fact that my garage is so damn narrow I can’t get all the doors open at the same time, i’ll have to break up the install over a few weekends. But here is the parts & plan to get us started;

    Amp
    The Jag/Alpine amp is an 8x40W special, connects into the D2B network, and powers a total of 10 speakers.
    I got mine from Black Country Jaguar. Here is the amp.



    Amp connections
    After a lot of searching, (and I mean a lot) I just couldn’t get my hands on the original connectors, so as an alternative I managed to find some 2.8mm spade connectors, which are still too big, but with a bit of laterial thinking I got it to work. Strip off the PVC insulation;



    Tighten them up a little, and slip them over the pins "sideways" and they fit.
    A little heatshrink around the spades will take care of the insulation.



    The terminals on the amp aren’t marked, but with some investigation I figured it out here;


    Then, just at the last minute, Jordan from xtypeparts.com found some connectors for me, brilliant.
    I doubt others will be so lucky, so I wanted to show you the example with the 2.8mm spades anyhow.

    Cabin Harness Connectors
    According to x-dave’s brilliant idea of using the existing wiring to the speakers, you need to get you hands on a complete CA230 harness connector. I was lucky & got three from JagWorks in Sydney during my last trip to Australia. Most of the speaker wiring from the amp runs into this connector. If you don’t have this, you might as well run all new wire to the speakers….which is a pain in the...you know…


    Speaker Wire
    The speaker wire was actually quite a headache to find; luckily I came across roddas73 on eBay, who sells specialised, colour-coded wire, in small quantities, specifically for this type of application. Of course I wasn’t able to find the exact OEM colours, but I did get 17x different colours, so that’ll make it easier to wire up. The wire is a 1mm² thin-insulated special. I got 5m each of Black, Grey, White, Yellow, Orange, Purple, Blue, Pink, Green, Light Green, Brown, Grey/White Stripe, Purple/White Stripe & Blue/White Stripe, plus 10m each of Red/White Stripe, Orange/White Stripe and finally Red.
    100m all up, delivered to Switzerland for £40, you can order directly by email roddas7367(at)fsmail.net
    Before anyone jumps up & down about the wire being too thin, have a look at Wikipedia, also, studying the photos of x-dave’s harness, it appears he used a similar size. ;o)
    Obviously for the power & earth connections I’ll be using a heavier gauge.


    Speakers
    Since Buck was so impressed the Focal speakers in his old X-Type, I decided to go for a set myself. Focal Access 165 A1, these are a 6.5” split system, with a separate crossover. You’ll need the crossover for the back doors, but not for the fronts.


    Subwoofers
    Despite them being hard to find in Europe, the many positive reviews in the US convinced me to go for the Kicker CVT. 4? units. I had thought about going for the 2? to get a bit more out of the amp, but it’s a bit risky…


    These look like serious kit (hope they put out as good as they look).


    Speaker adaptors

    In order to mount the 6.5” speakers in the existing slots, you will need some spacers/adaptors. Most car-stereo installers make their own from MDF sheet. But I found these special ones on eBay HERE. Once I got them in my hands I was a little surprised, since they are an “open” design, which doesn’t make much sense in my experience. So I decided to seal them up with some magic tape. Besides that, these adaptors should make it dead-simple to fit the speakers.


    Door handles
    Depending on the year of your car, you may or may not have tweeters in the front doors as part of the standard system. Mine being 2005MY I did. So to match I wanted the same tweeters in the back doors. Again Jordan from xtypeparts.com came through & got me a pair of door inserts with the tweeter grills. These are easy enough to install in the door cards, bit of hot-glue does the trick.


    Front door connections
    This is where things can change depending on the model year of your car. As we discovered HERE there are connectors in the doorjambs which pass the wires through to the door. On the early models with standard sound, there are no factory tweeters in the front doors, therefore no wires to connect them. This means you have to add more pins/wires to the door connectors or pass the wires outside of the factory looms. Lucky for me the later models with the tweeters already have the connections there, & it’s only a matter of cutting & splicing into the retrofit loom. Unlucky for me I also decided to fit puddle-lights at the same time, so I’ve gotta add the additional wires anyhow…Bruce at b12jags.co.uk came through for me with some spare door connectors to rob the pins from.

    Wiring diagram / schematic
    The "retrofit loom" helps to use as much of the existing wiring in the car as possible. I plotted out the connections HERE, note that it’s got the OEM colours for the connections, this will have to change for the wire colours available. There is more info in bigbear's post HERE.

    Getting started
    Right i'm off to the shed to start on the rear doors, more to come soon!
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    Re: Premium Sound Retrofit – Extended Version

    A good afternoons work, managed to get both rear doors done;

    So, door card off, it's basically the same as the front doors. Managed to break four of those stupid plastic pins on the left rear door. Only broke one on the right rear, it came off a lot easier, turns out that the lock must have been replaced in the past, the lining had been cut around the lock, and re-sealed with black gaffa tape. Good to know that's what the pros use!

    With the door card off, we're looking at the original speaker;


    So, get that out & fit in the speaker adaptor;


    Back to the door card, here's what the inside of the door handle looks like.
    It's held in place with lots of hot-glue, and a lot of melted plastic in slots.


    Lots of patience with a stanley knife, and a blunt soldering iron, I managed to get the handle out;


    Put the new handle in place (havent glued it in yet);


    OK now for the tweeter, I decided to wrap some black electrical tape around it to hold it in place.


    And then when I had the glue gun out to fix the handle, just a couple of dollups to fix the tweeter in place;


    Now to fit the crossover, I basically just copied Bucks idea;

    Got some slotted metal strip from the hardware store, cut & bent, then bolted in.

    I didn't get any pics of the wiring, but it's very straight forward. The existing 2-wires from the original speaker go into the input of the crossover. A pair to the midbass, and the tweeter is pre-wired, and just long enough to get to the crossover in that position.

    Re-seal the door lining with black gaffa tape (sorry, forgot to take a pic).

    Bolt in the midbass speaker;


    Finally, door card back on & give it a test. Everythings working!


    So that's about it for now. I'm waiting on the amp connectors to arrive in the post, so tomorrow I guess i'll start pulling apart the blue connectors. Can't really start on the harness until i've got those plugs.

    More to come next weekend!
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    Re: Discussion Thread, Premium Sound Retrofit – Extended Ver

    hi Cambo, intresting read as I was thinking about upgrading my speakers.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cambo351
    Despite them being hard to find in Europe, the many positive reviews in the US convinced me to go for the Kicker CVT. 4? units. I had thought about going for the 2? to get a bit more out of the amp, but it’s a bit risky…
    Not understanding this are the 2? more powerful than the 4??
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    Re: Discussion Thread, Premium Sound Retrofit – Extended Ver

    Hey Will,

    It's a little complicated to explain...the rating in Ohms is the speakers impedance, which basically is how much load the speaker puts on the amp. Lower impedance e.g. 2? puts more stress on the amp. Usually an amp needs to be specifically designed for this low impedance. From what i could understand, the original subs are 4?, and I'm not sure if the OEM amp could handle 2?, would basically mean "louder" but might eventually blow up the amp...try having a look at Wikipedia HERE

    The door speakers are 4?. This is the most commonly used car-audio speaker impedance.

    Cheers!
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    It will be interesting to see if you get a PECU b error on the dash once everything is in and the amp connected to see whether or not the crossovers possibly caused it in mine possibly due to the amp already having crossovers in, or whether it was caused by something else.???
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    Re: Discussion Thread, Premium Sound Retrofit – Extended Ver

    I don't think it'll be a problem Buck. Only using the crossovers in the rear doors, since the rear channels on the amp are a full-range output. The fronts are already split with the crossover incorporated in the amp. It's separate channels to the front mids and tweeters. You never mentioned any errors in your retrofit???
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    Re: Discussion Thread, Premium Sound Retrofit – Extended Ver

    The retrofit sounded awesome just could never get to the cause of the PECU b error on the dash...it was suggested the additional crossovers could be to blame.Thought I had mentioned the error (if not its been on the relevant post(s) on my upgrade) and to go for the same Focals but the ones without crossover options?
    You will be very impressed Im sure with the end acoustic result....full volume...no distortion...awesome!!
    IF you get the error simple enough to remove the crossovers to see if it removes the error which I never did.
    Saying that when the CD changer (came from factory with this) was unplugged the error disappeared
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    Re: Premium Sound Retrofit – Extended Version

    OK short update for today.

    I sat in the back & had a good listen to the speakers (rathy stupid that I never did this before, so TBH I don't have a good reference) but it seemed to me that the tweeters were overly loud, so I changed the crossover setting from 0dB to -3dB. Sounds a bit more balanced now.

    Also got started on the blue CA230 connector for the retrofit harness.
    Got the pins out of the connector using a small, flat-tipped jewelers screwdriver, tricky to figure out at first, but after that they came out easily. The problem with these now is that the wires were crimped in so tight, with a special tool, there is no way to open them up & re-crimp them. Seems the only way forward with this is to solder the new wires onto the pins. Great....

    Also discovered that the connectors i took don't have enough pins in them for the spec of my car.
    From memory the donor cars were all 2001 models, without many gadgets in them.
    There are three pins missing from one side of the connector, (see pin-outs HERE).
    To be specific, it's missing the pins; CA230-3 for the parking aid module, CA230-13 for the audio/phone and CA230-15 for the rain sensor, since my car has all three gadgets, I've got to add those extra pins. Lucky I got three sets of those connectors. Got enough to make only two complete looms now...

    For reference here is the location of the connector in the car (it's the blue one)


    And here is what we have to do;


    I'm really itching to get this done so as soon as the amp plugs arrive in the post i'll be updating again...
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    Have me a bit worried mate...lucky I don't have a CD changer & don't plan on adding one anytime soon, the €€€ I blew on the ACM means it's gotta do everything for me...but this could be a problem for anyone else attempting the retrofit...I will SPEW if I have to change the rear speakers, again...but there was no problem with Bigbear's install?
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    No, he had no problems
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