I think Germany are going down the same rout.
EV's could be Banned
If Switzerland has Power Cuts during the Winter month's they are going to Ban Electric Vehicles so much for them being Eco friendly.
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They are really eco-friendly if you aren't allowed to drive them!
Imagine if they tried that here, the rage from EV owners would be able to power a small town.
Great news, never wanted them in the first place. Let's keep electric for fork lifts and milk floats.
Plus the mining for the batteries seems way too destructive for widespread use.
Plus the mining for the batteries seems way too destructive for widespread use.
Oh crap, I saw the thread title and was just putting the flags out and blowing up some balloons when I saw it was just for winter and not for ever. Oh well we can all live in hope 😁
My V8 is eco friendly when I don't drive it too 😇They are really eco-friendly if you aren't allowed to drive them!
I wonder if they were left plugged in, could the Grid take the energy back out of their batteries to avoid the power cutsImagine if they tried that here, the rage from EV owners would be able to power a small town.
?Sad reality that is that future Jaguar drivers will one day face this problem,
I was in my workshop last week, I heard this awful noise, it was alarming it sounded like a UFO was being sexually assaulted/ So I went outside to investigate, and saw it was coming from a VW Golf. I asked if his car was ok and he replied to say they make them sound like that so blind people dont step out in front of them.
I have decided to stockpile parts from now
I was in my workshop last week, I heard this awful noise, it was alarming it sounded like a UFO was being sexually assaulted/ So I went outside to investigate, and saw it was coming from a VW Golf. I asked if his car was ok and he replied to say they make them sound like that so blind people dont step out in front of them.
I have decided to stockpile parts from now
There are at least a couple of EVs where I live (Tesla and an i-Pace) and when we are out walking around the block there is hardly any difference between the noise the EVs make and most other decent ICE cars as it is mostly tyre noise in both cases.Sad reality that is that future Jaguar drivers will one day face this problem,
I was in my workshop last week, I heard this awful noise, it was alarming it sounded like a UFO was being sexually assaulted/ So I went outside to investigate, and saw it was coming from a VW Golf. I asked if his car was ok and he replied to say they make them sound like that so blind people dont step out in front of them.
I have decided to stockpile parts from now
I saw that MG ev's can depreciate at over 60% in the first three years how does that figure for the I Pace. At what point do the Government say tax them. I saw a good senate hearing when a Senator asked if EV's are so good why do th e Government feel the need to bribe people to buy them
The Govt is not only bribing people to buy EVs but also forcing them to, by banning all new ICE cars in 2030 and by fining car manufactures if they don't sell a steadily increasing proportion of EVs out of their total vehicle production from 2024 onwards. So a lot of manufacturers will switch to 100% EVs before 2030.if EV's are so good why do th e Government feel the need to bribe people to buy them
As you say, if EVs are so good, why is the Govt wielding both carrot and stick to get people to buy them?
Quoted from elsewhere:... if EV's are so good why do th e Government feel the need to bribe people to buy them
Almost all sensible scientists contend that global warming is happening, and anyone that can count can see that fossil fuels will run out sooner rather than later. Calling these people the "Climate Change Lobby", and pretending that they are crackpots is all very well, but won't actually change the truth. We presumably all agree that we need an alternative to the internal combustion engine, but we don't agree on the replacement? (... or do some of us think that we should just use the fossil fuels until they run out, then have our descendants go back to horses? Really?)
As someone once said "necessity is the mother of invention", and bans on ICE powered motor cars are designed to concentrate the minds of the engineers (and their profit-driven employers) that are tasked with finding the replacement. It may be that electric vehicles aren't the answer, but they seem to be the least worst option at the moment. It may be that the answer lies elsewhere, but the one apparent certainty is that the future doesn't lie in petrol and diesel cars, even if they sound fabulous, so it is beholden upon us lot to understand that, and find ways to live with it, not waste our breath railing against the setting of the (ICE) sun.
Because they are, by nature of the current technology, more expensive to build and sell than an ICE plus of course the elephant in the room of a currently pathetic charging infrastructure. If EVs were cost equivalent to ICE and as easy to charge as topping up a fossil fuel tank, what would consumers then buy? No government incentives would be required.....
As you say, if EVs are so good, why is the Govt wielding both carrot and stick to get people to buy them?
Question is, if and when do we, as individuals, make the switch away from ICE? Doing so means EV as things currently stand, whatever we think of "cradle to grave" impact on the planet.
In my case, born the same year as our last queen's coronation, with an annual mileage which has drastically reduced since retirement, is it a good thing to follow in IanD's footsteps and buy an i-Pace now, or later (whenever that may be), or stick with my current ICE until either I stop driving or my car becomes uneconomical to keep running? Most of my journeys are now short ones and my car lives in my garage - ideal if it were an EV. My car has done less than 22000 miles over the last 6 years so my overall "guilt level" of driving a V8 during that period is not too high because a) the car already existed with just 25 miles on the clock when I bought it and b) if someone else had bought it there is a very good chance they would have done a lot more miles and hence contributed more pollution. This later argument suggests I should continue to run it for as long as I can because if I sell it now and buy an EV, any reduction in my contribution to greenhouse gases would very likely be outweighed by the extra emitted by a new owner likely doing a lot more miles than I do. So that's the argument for keeping it, enjoying the V8 on the odd occasion I do go on a longer journey and/or get to welly it and today at least, not shelling out any retirement cash to switch vehicles.
Arguments for switching are really only driven by the cost issue, both now and more unpredictably, the future. Right now, my car is enjoying a lift in value compared to a year or two back such that it has a trade in value around 58% of what I paid for it. I can't imagine that holding for very long so should I jump now for a 1 year old i-Pace (for example) and hope it sees me through to the end of my driving days, or prevaricate and eventually find I am forced to switch anyway but it likely ends up costing a lot more to do so?
Answers on a postcard please......
Whenever (if) you do switch to an EV then the environmental impact of manufacturing your new car will vastly increase your own 'personal' impact regardless of when you do it because your car already exists and keeping it running for years into the future will still be less than the impact of manufacturing a new EV. From a cost perspective I think EV's are likely to continue to come down in price while the cost of keeping an ICE on the road are likely to continue to increase plus the expanding zones across the country will make it more difficult/expensive to drive it in them. I'm going to continue to drive my smelly old diesel until I can no longer afford to do so and I doubt I'll ever be able to afford an EV so will probably end up with some kind of second hand ICE Euro box that is still affordable to run around in.Because they are, by nature of the current technology, more expensive to build and sell than an ICE plus of course the elephant in the room of a currently pathetic charging infrastructure. If EVs were cost equivalent to ICE and as easy to charge as topping up a fossil fuel tank, what would consumers then buy? No government incentives would be required.
Question is, if and when do we, as individuals, make the switch away from ICE? Doing so means EV as things currently stand, whatever we think of "cradle to grave" impact on the planet.
In my case, born the same year as our last queen's coronation, with an annual mileage which has drastically reduced since retirement, is it a good thing to follow in IanD's footsteps and buy an i-Pace now, or later (whenever that may be), or stick with my current ICE until either I stop driving or my car becomes uneconomical to keep running? Most of my journeys are now short ones and my car lives in my garage - ideal if it were an EV. My car has done less than 22000 miles over the last 6 years so my overall "guilt level" of driving a V8 during that period is not too high because a) the car already existed with just 25 miles on the clock when I bought it and b) if someone else had bought it there is a very good chance they would have done a lot more miles and hence contributed more pollution. This later argument suggests I should continue to run it for as long as I can because if I sell it now and buy an EV, any reduction in my contribution to greenhouse gases would very likely be outweighed by the extra emitted by a new owner likely doing a lot more miles than I do. So that's the argument for keeping it, enjoying the V8 on the odd occasion I do go on a longer journey and/or get to welly it and today at least, not shelling out any retirement cash to switch vehicles.
Arguments for switching are really only driven by the cost issue, both now and more unpredictably, the future. Right now, my car is enjoying a lift in value compared to a year or two back such that it has a trade in value around 58% of what I paid for it. I can't imagine that holding for very long so should I jump now for a 1 year old i-Pace (for example) and hope it sees me through to the end of my driving days, or prevaricate and eventually find I am forced to switch anyway but it likely ends up costing a lot more to do so?
Answers on a postcard please......
I did say a "1 year old i-Pace" so it will also already exist. There is a further argument to say that my V8 is relatively clean for such an engine, can drop to four cylinders on light load and if I were to sell it on, it could mean a more polluting vehicle further down the food chain goes off to the scrap yard earlier than it may otherwise do. A complicated process eh?Whenever (if) you do switch to an EV then the environmental impact of manufacturing your new car will vastly increase your own 'personal' impact regardless of when you do it because your car already exists and keeping it running for years into the future will still be less than the impact of manufacturing a new EV. From a cost perspective I think EV's are likely to continue to come down in price while the cost of keeping an ICE on the road are likely to continue to increase plus the expanding zones across the country will make it more difficult/expensive to drive it in them. I'm going to continue to drive my smelly old diesel until I can no longer afford to do so and I doubt I'll ever be able to afford an EV so will probably end up with some kind of second hand ICE Euro box that is still affordable to run around in.
The cost for me to change right now would be £17k to £20k, probably the least I've ever paid to change cars, so I could end up with a 1 year old luxury car instead of a 6 year old one for not too much money. If I leave it for now, I can foresee it costing a lot more to change. A dilemma....
until they address the pollution in China and India and other "developing" industrial Countries then our efforts are pointless and I dont buy the argument of showing others the way. I went to look at the MG EV range built in China so why dont they sell all their EV's in China to help the pollution. Like the Diesel fiasco all will be revealed when they have suckered enough people into buying them.
100% agree about India, China etc.until they address the pollution in China and India and other "developing" industrial Countries then our efforts are pointless and I dont buy the argument of showing others the way. I went to look at the MG EV range built in China so why dont they sell all their EV's in China to help the pollution. Like the Diesel fiasco all will be revealed when they have suckered enough people into buying them.
Australian government approves first new coal mine since elected - BBC News
China sold 5.67 million EVs into their domestic market in 2022 alone. The UK? Just 0.87 million on the roads in total. Closer to Europe, the pollution emissions from Turkey are a real concern and dwarf anything we may do here in the UK.until they address the pollution in China and India and other "developing" industrial Countries then our efforts are pointless and I dont buy the argument of showing others the way. I went to look at the MG EV range built in China so why dont they sell all their EV's in China to help the pollution. Like the Diesel fiasco all will be revealed when they have suckered enough people into buying them.
Anyway regardless of emissions, as has already been mentioned, fossil fuels are running out and whether we like it or not, new ICE car sales are getting banned in just 7 years time. We can just stick our heads in the sand and ignore it, but it will happen anyway!
"they"?... until they address the pollution in China and India and other "developing" industrial Countries ...
Not only "they", we are just as much responsible for Chinese industrial pollution. There is hardly anything we buy or use which does not contain something made in China. I bet most of the electronics in a Jaguar are sourced from China. Even the robots on the production lines will either have been fully made in China or use electronics, servo motors, etc. from China. Where are "green" LED light bulbs made? The "comfort" demands of the west are as guilty as as anyone for Chinese (and other mass industrial producers) pollution.
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