i like the cat , it feel what jaguar should be. i am not sure if will damage the bonnet ( need to drill a hole).
anybody done that before ?
anybody done that before ?
alan1973
Lots of post on this one in the past. This subject has been raised often before in the UK and the problem is the leaper is reputed not to be legal on a current model UK Jaguar. It's a Europe wide ban. The European law states that unless you have had a mascot continually on your model range in the last 40 years then you cannot place a mascot on the current range. Obviously lots do, but you could have the book thrown at you in litigation claims following an accident. and then there's your insurance?
You are right Ed the insurance especially would be awkward if involved in a prang, but I would think if you ran into someone and they went up your bonnet they are going to be pretty well injured before they get to the leaper.
I think they looked great on the old car but I am not sure about on the S-type, how about a couple of leapers down the wings instead.
merlin
I think they looked great on the old car but I am not sure about on the S-type, how about a couple of leapers down the wings instead.
merlin
at first place, i don't think i will kepp it long, but after a week caravan, my wife's rx300 didn't do the job properly. so i need a range rover again. that's mean, there is no spare money for 2 cars ( new audi a8 is my favarite,it's 4 wheel drive, can do winter job). so i have to keep my jag and buy a range rover for my wife.
my jag will keep it in my drive way for couple of years, i am trying my best to make it better .
my jag will keep it in my drive way for couple of years, i am trying my best to make it better .
If you look under the bonnet,with it up,you can see a hole in the crossbeam.I drilled up through there,and hey presto,fitted the leaper,sprung loaded, of course.
I have been pulled by the old bill,for my numberplate,but he said the leaper was ok,as long as its sprung.
Good luck
I have been pulled by the old bill,for my numberplate,but he said the leaper was ok,as long as its sprung.
Good luck
Alan1973.
As you know you can buy badges and stick on's from almost anywhere nowadays, just google search it and choose where you want to buy from.
imo stick on's are best left to the kids, but whatever takes your fancy.
NEW Jaguar car cat 'Leaper' side/boot emblems,badges | eBay
merlin
As you know you can buy badges and stick on's from almost anywhere nowadays, just google search it and choose where you want to buy from.
imo stick on's are best left to the kids, but whatever takes your fancy.
NEW Jaguar car cat 'Leaper' side/boot emblems,badges | eBay
merlin
This has definitely been covered before. On pre-facelift cars (ie before 2003), there is a "growler" badge fitted to the bonnet lid. This was moved down to being part of the radiator grill on post-facelift cars.
If you have the pre-facelift car, you can just remove the growler and the leaper fits right into the hole vacated by it, no drilling required. If you have a post-facelift car, then you will need to drill a hole where the recess in the crossbeam is as s-typeclive correctly mentioned.
Contrary to other comments on this thread. Badges and insignia are perfectly legal on current vehicles so long as they are spring loaded. This is confirmed in the current (2012) VOSA regulation documentation. Plenty of current models (Mercedes-Benz and Rolls-Royce for example) still come with emblems right out of the factory, so the thought of it being illegal is clearly nonsense.
If you have the pre-facelift car, you can just remove the growler and the leaper fits right into the hole vacated by it, no drilling required. If you have a post-facelift car, then you will need to drill a hole where the recess in the crossbeam is as s-typeclive correctly mentioned.
Contrary to other comments on this thread. Badges and insignia are perfectly legal on current vehicles so long as they are spring loaded. This is confirmed in the current (2012) VOSA regulation documentation. Plenty of current models (Mercedes-Benz and Rolls-Royce for example) still come with emblems right out of the factory, so the thought of it being illegal is clearly nonsense.
Interesting!
Clearly a very grey area!
Read more: The beloved brass dog that sat on a car bonnet for 50 years... until Elf 'n' Safety got involved | Mail Online
Clearly a very grey area!
Read more: The beloved brass dog that sat on a car bonnet for 50 years... until Elf 'n' Safety got involved | Mail Online
Well no, it's not grey - the VOSA regulations are clear that bonnet mascots are legal "SO LONG AS THEY ARE SPRING LOADED" the dog in this story was not, it was just screwed to the bonnet
Personally I couldn't care less regarding retro fitting of leapers, but I have just read an article by Nigel Thorley of the Jaguar enthusiast Club regarding the (As he puts it) the sharply divided opinions as to the retro fitting of car mascots. The legalities concerned are far from clear. In fact several members have been successfully prosecuted! He ends the piece with the phrase "Don't say you haven't been warned!"
Not to shure about this Dave, Merc's , Rollers have them fitted as standard, this topic is about fitting the leaper as an extra.
Having said this i'm not to shure if i'd fit one anyway. Some years ago I had the original S Type 3.8 and when you sat in the front seats you could see the leaper.
To achieve this on the later S, it would have to be fitted to far up the bonnet to be seen from inside the car.
RC.
Having said this i'm not to shure if i'd fit one anyway. Some years ago I had the original S Type 3.8 and when you sat in the front seats you could see the leaper.
To achieve this on the later S, it would have to be fitted to far up the bonnet to be seen from inside the car.
RC.
Well to re-iterate, the 2012 VOSA specifications of what is and is not legal on UK registered vehicles clearly state that bonnet emblems are permitted so long as they are spring loaded or designed in such a way to break away in the case of impact.
@Red Cat, there is only one location that the leaper can be fitted on a modern S-Type, as defined by the circular cutout in the beam on the inside of the bonnet. I have my leaper fitted here and is clearly visible from the driver's seat
@Red Cat, there is only one location that the leaper can be fitted on a modern S-Type, as defined by the circular cutout in the beam on the inside of the bonnet. I have my leaper fitted here and is clearly visible from the driver's seat
Some pics to show what has been described above, without any hint concerning THE question (legal vs. illegal). This is how I did the job (and by the way these are my first words on this great forum).
I bought my 2.7 D Classic S-Type three months ago. She's from December 2006, Winter gold with Warm charcoal interior, Antares wheels, 40,000 miles, manual gearbox, one previous owner, originally cloth seats, condition like new.
I'll post pictures of the other minor modifications I made as soon as the sun comes back here in the south-west of France.
Phil
(Click on the pictures to get them in a bigger size)
The leaper as bought on eBay, with its spring safety system.
My S-Type ready for the picnic...
The bonnet with the spaces already foreseen for a leaping jaguar.
The main hole was made by drilling a succession of small ones from the inside of the aluminium bonnet, using 2, 3 & 4 mm drills for metal.
I filed the holes to get the adequate larger one.
The red growler is a personal job using special model paint.
I bought my 2.7 D Classic S-Type three months ago. She's from December 2006, Winter gold with Warm charcoal interior, Antares wheels, 40,000 miles, manual gearbox, one previous owner, originally cloth seats, condition like new.
I'll post pictures of the other minor modifications I made as soon as the sun comes back here in the south-west of France.
Phil
(Click on the pictures to get them in a bigger size)
The leaper as bought on eBay, with its spring safety system.
My S-Type ready for the picnic...
The bonnet with the spaces already foreseen for a leaping jaguar.
The main hole was made by drilling a succession of small ones from the inside of the aluminium bonnet, using 2, 3 & 4 mm drills for metal.
I filed the holes to get the adequate larger one.
The red growler is a personal job using special model paint.
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Well Phil
Thanks for taking part and showing us your pictures.
I like the idea of a drop of enamel paint on the growler, I might consider doing that myself--but perhaps not in the bright red.
Cheers
merlin
Thanks for taking part and showing us your pictures.
I like the idea of a drop of enamel paint on the growler, I might consider doing that myself--but perhaps not in the bright red.
Cheers
merlin
Hello Merlin, the red that appears on the last picture looks brighter than it really is (see previous pic.).
Phil
Phil
Phil, that's beautiful! Pretty well exactly something I've wanted to see on an S-Type for some time - it works. Any trouble from the law/controle technique/insurance company for the leaper? My dealer says they are "toleres" (sorry, no accents) in France.
Perigord Noir - whereabouts? We used to have a place near Douzillac, and are just south of Paris now.
Perigord Noir - whereabouts? We used to have a place near Douzillac, and are just south of Paris now.
Hi N****i, I'm between Sarlat & Périgueux. If you have a look at European norm EEC 74/483 concerning decorative badges like leapers you'll see there's nothing against them as long as they don't protude more than 1 cm from the front end of the car (which is the case here) and providing they don't resist under a force of 10 daN.
But of course you never know what might arise in court in case of injuries aggravated by such objects. Now, my leaper twists to each side, it can even be completely turned towards the windscreen when it gets a shock and gets separated from its support under a strong shock. I guess that's enough to think the risk is very limited. Moreover those leapers were present on most S-Types sold new in the US it seems.
But I think we're merely repeating what's been said here before on the same subject and my intention isn't to develop the subject again.
Phil
But of course you never know what might arise in court in case of injuries aggravated by such objects. Now, my leaper twists to each side, it can even be completely turned towards the windscreen when it gets a shock and gets separated from its support under a strong shock. I guess that's enough to think the risk is very limited. Moreover those leapers were present on most S-Types sold new in the US it seems.
But I think we're merely repeating what's been said here before on the same subject and my intention isn't to develop the subject again.
Phil
Nice area. We came back down to visit for a couple of days last summer - Perigueux, St Astier, Neuvic, Douzillac and so on. Even 30+ years later, a few people still remembered us, which was nice.
I know the text, but as you say, if you end up with your leaper actually hurting someone (unlikely, I know) it could get interesting. Arden do a 300-odd Euro one which has TUV approval, but the base is ugly, and 300 Euros is far too much for a thing like that anyway.
Meanwhile, it's academic for me, because I haven't got the S-Type yet, and I don't think it would look so good on my X-Type!
I know the text, but as you say, if you end up with your leaper actually hurting someone (unlikely, I know) it could get interesting. Arden do a 300-odd Euro one which has TUV approval, but the base is ugly, and 300 Euros is far too much for a thing like that anyway.
Meanwhile, it's academic for me, because I haven't got the S-Type yet, and I don't think it would look so good on my X-Type!
At the end of the day, if you get stopped, it all comes down to the police office understanding / interpretation of the relevant laws.
Some will say it's Ok.
Some will give you a verbal warning to you remove it.
Some will give you a vdrs notice to remove it.
And some will prosecute you, it's then up to you whether you fight it in court or take the points and fine.
Even if you take it to court it is then up to the magistrates understanding / interpretation of the relevant laws.
Then you have the insurance implications, which are far from clear and vary wildly depending on company policy.
In short, fit one at your own risk, the is No clear cut police ruling on it.
Some will say it's Ok.
Some will give you a verbal warning to you remove it.
Some will give you a vdrs notice to remove it.
And some will prosecute you, it's then up to you whether you fight it in court or take the points and fine.
Even if you take it to court it is then up to the magistrates understanding / interpretation of the relevant laws.
Then you have the insurance implications, which are far from clear and vary wildly depending on company policy.
In short, fit one at your own risk, the is No clear cut police ruling on it.
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