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Had two phone calls yesterday.

I'm being head hunted to take on a 2 year minimum contract working on a HMP cat B-C prison doing some very necessary upgrade works including removing a lot of Asbestos. Apparently the fact I don't have a passport has taken them by surprise? Never needed one, no wishes to go abroad.

It's come to someones attention outside the company I work for now that I always score very high on H&S and paperwork audits. As in 100% on my last H&S audit last Saturday. That doesn't happen very often I can tell you. I know who has passed that info on, my previous No2.

Starts end of this month if I accept and get through the clearances... Which has placed me in a bit of an awkward place as I've also been promised a similar contract at the Science Museum next year. If the company I'm with now get the contract.

Time to sit back and have a think, there's no real advantage rate wise, but it will get me out of London. Looks like I'll be doing a "Pro's and Cons" list.
 

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Never mind that Bollocks " theres no real advantage rate wise " how can you be headhunted and not offered an
improvement in Terms and Conditions ? Are they simply looking for a Lackey to take care of the Paperwork or are
they looking to add a capable Professional to their Team ?
Anything to do with Construction is absolutely Booming just now , Directors and Technical People are trousering
thousands of pounds in bonuses , I work with these People day in and day out for Decades and let me tell you that
self praise is no praise , at your age you have a limited shelf life and you should be making them pay for all this capability
you possess .
 

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I think my problem is that I'm always a bit wary of pricing myself out, so I don't ask for top rate. For me to fix.

It's the long term aspect that I'm interested in, I've done some prestigious stuff in the centre of London but I still think the place stinks, pollution, traffic conditions, the fact they appear want to fine you for passing wind in the wrong lane these days, it's not friendly out there on the roads.

So I need to ask for more money, that's a given.
 

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I think my problem is that I'm always a bit wary of pricing myself out, so I don't ask for top rate. For me to fix.

It's the long term aspect that I'm interested in, I've done some prestigious stuff in the centre of London but I still think the place stinks, pollution, traffic conditions, the fact they appear want to fine you for passing wind in the wrong lane these days, it's not friendly out there on the roads.

So I need to ask for more money, that's a given.
Factor in the various anti transport charges, higher prices for everything and the awful people that inhabit our capital. If you don't ask etc etc.
 

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Never mind that Bollocks " theres no real advantage rate wise " how can you be headhunted and not offered an
improvement in Terms and Conditions ? Are they simply looking for a Lackey to take care of the Paperwork or are
they looking to add a capable Professional to their Team ?
Anything to do with Construction is absolutely Booming just now , Directors and Technical People are trousering
thousands of pounds in bonuses , I work with these People day in and day out for Decades and let me tell you that
self praise is no praise , at your age you have a limited shelf life and you should be making them pay for all this capability
you possess .
Red is right I have to say here Lost it

Head hunting by its very nature will always involve more than a few steps up. Generally that could / should initially be in terms of salary of course, but could also include better terms generally, private health care, Company vehicle, mobile phone / laptop etc etc etc

If they're coming looking for you, they've heard of or been made aware of you and your credentials and then approached you.........They need to pay, its that simple. It's a fine line though between not asking enough and not knowing your worth and asking too much and being too greedy.
I was fortunate enough to be in that position twice in my career, years apart but both amounted in real terms to around £5k - £6k increase in salary. This was not an inconsiderable amount of money lol

Whether I had under sold myself initially or no the increases not only brought me into line with the "going rate" but meant that I leap frogged others.............and that's the way the game is played, on and on.

The only person who knows your real worth is you, if you don't then find out quick smart and don't under sell yourself.

Hope to hear how you get on and which way this goes...........thinking good thoughts and sending them your way

Jim
 

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Lost One...

The best jobs come through this way.

You've summed it up and my advice is...

Go for the firm offer now, it's a case of "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".

Truly.

Do ask for a bit more money if it's not right as it is, they always have a small margin of 10%- ish when it comes near to signing you. I did that automatically.

An "If my company gets the job" is not a certainty.

Don't hesitate too long, they can go elsewhere.

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I think my problem is that I'm always a bit wary of pricing myself out, so I don't ask for top rate. For me to fix.

It's the long term aspect that I'm interested in, I've done some prestigious stuff in the centre of London but I still think the place stinks, pollution, traffic conditions, the fact they appear want to fine you for passing wind in the wrong lane these days, it's not friendly out there on the roads.

So I need to ask for more money, that's a given.
I will tell you your problem others are probably too polite and in any case probably haven't corresponded with you as long as I have .
You are wary because you lack confidence , theres a part of you that genuinely can't believe that any Employer would be prepared
to pay you a wage for the job you do , Phychologically you haven't moved on from Orgreave and Saltley Gate , Politically too .
Let me tell you mate that Industry and Life is full of fakes and phonys , you have come a harder path than the rest so make them pay .
 

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Working in a prision will demand danger money,they have some right headcases in those places!

I'm informed that a photocard driver's licence holds just as much information as a passport....

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Oh I don't think I lack confidence Red. I know what I can do,and I've been at the sticky end as well as being on a witness stand for the HSE once.

There's an aspect of knowing what I have, knowing they looked after me when I had c, kind of liking that I can do the job how I see fit, I'm left alone pretty much. And that will change if I take the new job because I'll be expected to be a "team" member. Not like being RNLI crew, or working closely in unsafe area's.

Anyway. Told them what I want money wise, we'll see what comes back.
 

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Well I have given you my thoughts and they are honest ones . I am glad you are at least moving forward , as regards being a Team Player I
simply can't do it , never could and I question its value for any Employee , that said I can see plenty benefits for the Employer .
 

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We are so similar in so many areas..
 

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Politically too on most issues , where you can't forget the Miners Strike I can't forget 3.4 million immigrants under Labour and their effect on
the Working Class at the bottom of the Pile . Lets hope the Devon David makes a swift return .
 

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Unfortunately I'm in a business where without a few of those "imported people", I probably wouldn't be sat at work now...

So I'd have to say I don't particularly agree with that sentiment. Because finding a homegrown painter, decorator, glazing specialist, plasterer, brickie, plumber or sparky is becoming almost impossible. That want's to work weekends any way.
 

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Unfortunately I'm in a business where without a few of those "imported people", I probably wouldn't be sat at work now...

So I'd have to say I don't particularly agree with that sentiment. Because finding a homegrown painter, decorator, glazing specialist, plasterer, brickie, plumber or sparky is becoming almost impossible. That want's to work weekends any way.
You should live in East Yorkshire. We have superb home grown plumbers, electricians and just a few miles outside of the boundary the best Jag Indi in the country.

No idea of your financial circumstances but in life there comes a point where you sit down and take a long hard look at what you need, not what you want. You would be surprised how easy it is to consolidate everything and bask in the enjoyments of retirement.

Tony
 

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Born a Tyke mate. Just waiting for the right time to come back home.
 

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No idea of your financial circumstances but in life there comes a point where you sit down and take a long hard look at what you need, not what you want. You would be surprised how easy it is to consolidate everything and bask in the enjoyments of retirement.

Tony
Very true!

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As I staggered past 60 I decided to take my preserved RAF pension and went part time,possibly the best decision I have ever made!

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I could semi retire. 3 days a week would be adequate for me, 2 at a push. When I suggested it to my boss you could see the blood run out of his face. I wonder what he will say when I tell him I've ben offered another job that pays better...
 

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I think my problem is that I'm always a bit wary of pricing myself out, so I don't ask for top rate. For me to fix.

It's the long term aspect that I'm interested in, I've done some prestigious stuff in the centre of London but I still think the place stinks, pollution, traffic conditions, the fact they appear want to fine you for passing wind in the wrong lane these days, it's not friendly out there on the roads.

So I need to ask for more money, that's a given.
I think that's your answer.

To do that which is new and interesting will offer you a better day than sticking with what you know and putting up with that which you don't enjoy.

You can always change your mind later.
 

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If you can fill your days doing things you had no time for before then do it.

Otherwise you will just fade away.

Cheer up, take the Goddam job that pays and is in your hand, not wait for a promised job that may not come.

Just try for better pay as you have done Lost One.

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Lost It.

You are nearer to retirement than you think.

Look at your home and it's worth. Look at all of your tangible assets and the tot them all up. Look at the cost of living up north compared with the Emsworth area and work out what you really need for a very happy, content life. Sell it all and relocate getting rid of all of your debts at the same time. It is amazing how cheap it is to live when you have paid off all of your debts.

I do not miss the big house, the new cars or the extravagances that we used to have and now we have no stress at all. We are even making plans to go one stage further but that is a few years away.

Think retirement or semi retirement. You have earned it.

Tony
 
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