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Jitters at 3000 to 4000rpm on hard acceleration

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Good day, first of all, my apologies if this has delt, but I could not find any definitive answers. (PS. first post)

I bought a 2008 Jaguar S-type 3.0 (102k km on odo) about 2 weeks ago and love this car, I noticed if a accelerate hard from a stop the car jitters/shudders between 3000rpm and 4000rpm like a misfire feeling (no errors thrown). I don't know if its traction control intervention or something else, it also occurs with traction control disabled. If I get off the line normally and then floor it doesn't occur. Any device will be greatly appreciated.
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Bunch of things it might be but start with LTFTs (long term fuel trims) - use Search and see what to get & do. Cheap DIY.

Don't keep doing it until diagnosed as you may well be causing damage.
Can I use the torque pro app to test this and is it safe to drive the car with the ODB ii connected?
Hello Rohela, welcome to our forums.

2008? You must have one of the last, newest S Types. Can you tell us more about it?

In the meantime it can be your fuel injectors may be dirty.

Put in some injector cleaner like RedEx or BG44K at Double strength to each full tank of fuel and do that for 2 tankfuls.

That will clean them for sure. I've used Wynne's recently but it didn't clean mine. So I'm trying to find RedEx or BG44K again.

Our member Bluechem's Oxicat is good for cleaning from the combustion chamber and out, but he (Richard) has another product for injectors and fuel path. Hope he spots this to advise.

Be sure you don't use the diesel engine version! I'm not sure why there are 2 types.

As 04str says, check fuel trims.

You can do that with an ELM327 (£10 on eBay in the UK) and your smart phone with the Torque Lite app or similar.

Or if you can go to £100 there is another far better code read/reset/diagnose tool others can tell you about (I'll leave something for them to tell you ;) ).

It could be tyres? Cheap ones or worn ones can skip, there's a lot of power put down by these cars.

Other stuff:

Listen for any clunking or banging under, the prop shaft has 2 rubber "doughnut" shock absorbers front and back which can split, and a centre bearing which can wear.

Lift the car up on a lift with the wheels off and check for worn bushes, balljoints, broken springs etc on the suspension.

The subframe mounts rot, check those too.

And the sills rot under the plastic over-covers, you'll need to get a pack of new clip screws for the covers, then remove them to check and put them back.

Hopefully yours won't suffer from these rots but it's best to check now.

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Hello Rohela, welcome to our forums.
2008? You must have one of the last, newest S Types. Can you tell us more about it?
It could be tyres? Cheap ones or worn ones can skip, there's a lot of power put down by these cars.
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I doubt it my tires I am using Pirelli Cinturato p7 245/45 17" which have done less than 10k km and the suspension has been checked. I also thought it has the suspension or prop shaft.

The car is an s-type 3.0 with R badging. Thought it was fake so I asked my local Jaguar dealer and they told me it is actually a 3.0 S-Type R haven't seen any of these around. I live in South Africa and they are very few Cats this side people tend to go more German or Jap here.
I doubt it my tires I am using Pirelli Cinturato p7 245/45 17" which have done less than 10k km and the suspension has been checked. I also thought it has the suspension or prop shaft.

The car is an s-type 3.0 with R badging. Thought it was fake so I asked my local Jaguar dealer and they told me it is actually a 3.0 S-Type R haven't seen any of these around. I live in South Africa and they are very few Cats this side people tend to go more German or Jap here.
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Thanks bud.

No our fellow member The Voice might confirm if there was ever an "R" pack for any other model.

But the S Type R is only the 4.2 litre with a Supercharger bud.

Does yours have a Supercharger?

But if not, don't worry, the 3 litre is a great car.

Put up some photos, that would be great?

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OK, so next is to put the injector cleaner through and get the fuel trims checked. Ideally they should be near zero on both banks.

Have a look on YouTube for what to look for, there are many videos for other cars.

After that I would have a gearbox fluid and filter and seals change done, but you need to find a good BMW specialist who is familiar with the ZF 6HP26 gearbox. I'm assuming your car has that box, right? The Jaguar dealer won't do that.

There are threads in our S Type Stickies subforum about the gearbox parts and kits and alternative fluid.

Here's the link: www.jaguarforum.com/forumdisplay.php/f=104.
There is a VIN number thread there too, see if yours is one of the last and let us know.

Since it doesn't happen all the time, is it just slippage from aggressive acceleration do you think?

At worse it might be the torque converter but don't panic just yet.
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No our fellow member The Voice might confirm if there was ever an "R" pack for any other model.

But the S Type R is only the 4.2 litre with a Supercharger bud.

Does yours have a Supercharger?

But if not, don't worry, the 3 litre is a great car.
It's naturally aspirated, I have been doing some googling and it might be an aggressive traction control, but I'll try injector cleaner and all the little stuff first I don't know anyone with experience with the ZF
It's naturally aspirated, I have been doing some googling and it might be an aggressive traction control, but I'll try injector cleaner and all the little stuff first I don't know anyone with experience with the ZF
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Best plan.

Let us know how you get on.

Are there any good BMW independent specialists near you who open ZF gearboxes? It's worth popping in to a couple to see what they do.

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Very nice, definitely a keeper.

How's the interior?
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Very nice, definitely a keeper.
How's the interior?
It's immaculate will post images soon. I think I might have to get a new ODB scanner because mine is showing data but not picking upfault codes. this is on idle will need to get some to help me get LTFTs and other data
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A coil breaking down?
A coil breaking down?
If it were a coil problem won't it do that all the time? My problem only occurs under hard acceleration from a dead stop. But please correct me if am wrong. I have driven it up to high speeds with no issues. It only does that from stationary when FLOOR IT never else. It could b a transmission problem and it feels like it's scrambling for grip.
If it were a coil problem won't it do that all the time? My problem only occurs under hard acceleration from a dead stop. But please correct me if am wrong. I have driven it up to high speeds with no issues. It only does that from stationary when FLOOR IT never else. It could b a transmission problem and it feels like it's scrambling for grip.
It could be a trans problem and coils that are severely faulty will of course cause a misfire all the time.

However full load WOT (wide open throttle) increases combustion chamber pressures which makes it harder for the spark to jump the sparkplug gap increasing the electrical load on the coils.

Your problem therefore could possibly be a worn sparkplug/s with a big gap/s or as mentioned a coil/s or both as worn plugs can/will overload the coils, again causing a misfire.

OBD short term fuel trims would help diagnose if the above is happening as incomplete combustion should show up as a decrease in injected fuel duty.

I believe that to replace all the sparkplugs on your engine the inlet manifold has to be removed therefore you may still be running on the original sparkplugs.

Just an observation :)
It could be a trans problem and coils that are severely faulty will of course cause a misfire all the time.

However full load WOT (wide open throttle) increases combustion chamber pressures which makes it harder for the spark to jump the sparkplug gap increasing the electrical load on the coils.

Your problem therefore could possibly be a worn sparkplug/s with a big gap/s or as mentioned a coil/s or both as worn plugs can/will overload the coils, again causing a misfire.

OBD short term fuel trims would help diagnose if the above is happening as incomplete combustion should show up as a decrease in injected fuel duty.

I believe that to replace all the sparkplugs on your engine the inlet manifold has to be removed therefore you may still be running on the original sparkplugs.

Just an observation :)
Much appreciated. I just ordered a new ODB scanner should arrive on Monday. I will perform a data log and report back. For now, I will have to drive sensibly.:|
Here is a very good video on how to use the short and long term fuel trims.
I usaully use this to check what is happening to see if it is anything to do with the engine.


They can be used to check many things
Thank you. I must say this is the most helpful and responsive forum ever, it's really cool.
Thank you. I must say this is the most helpful and responsive forum ever, it's really cool.
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Thank you bud, it's nice when we can help.

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Thank you bud, it's nice when we can help.

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She's a beauty. I wish you many years of trouble-free enjoyment.

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