My EV journey

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Ian D

Discussion Starter · 2 mo ago

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So I finally bit the bullet and bought an iPace. I found a late 2019 iPace SE in corris grey with only 22k on the clock from Grange Jaguar Swindon. The deal was impressive, £3k dealer contribution, free wall charger and installation, 2 year extended warranty, next service is free.

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I said goodbye to the XF, it’s done me well and hardly ever put a foot wrong. Someone will get a good car there.

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Started off with a near full battery.

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I done 87 miles, the range went down 96 miles. Not too bad at all I think seeing as I was hooning it a few times as the acceleration is addictive! The tech on the SE is quite impressive, the adaptive cruise with stop and go is a nice addition too.

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Frank

· #241 · 4 d ago

JimC64 said:
...... It looks like these are great for stop / start running around town and doing local trips, not so much on longer drives

Jim

Which brings up the point that he makes in the review, it's a rather expensive local runabout!

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Ian D

Discussion Starter · #242 · 4 d ago

Frank said:
Which brings up the point that he makes in the review, it's a rather expensive local runabout!

I’ve been to midlands and back in it, only had to stop once to charge. 320 mile round trip. Not difficult, latest route planners such as zap map even tell you which are occupied, broken etc.

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Frank

· #243 · 4 d ago

Ian D said:
I’ve been to midlands and back in it, only had to stop once to charge. 320 mile round trip. Not difficult, latest route planners such as zap map even tell you which are occupied, broken etc.

What was your miles/kW rate?

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Ian D

Discussion Starter · #244 · 4 d ago

Frank said:
What was your miles/kW rate?

I’m averaging about 2.7mi/kWh overall according to the trip since I’ve had the car. Some journeys I’ve had higher though, I did a 79 mile trip last week, averaged 3.1mi/kWh and regen was 8.6kWh on that journey.

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Ruby351

· #245 · 4 d ago

Frank said:
Maybe I should not have watched this before the road test tomorrow:
Jaguar i-Pace real-world review. The ups & downs of running an electric car.. - YouTube
Three years old, the charging infrastructure should have improved a bit by now, or has it?
Motorway range issue is a big turn off

Really enjoyed that clip, cracking presenter with realistic views on the I-pace and EVs in general, and for me giving us the sort of information we all want to know about.

He certainly had a lot of pros for the Jag, but as most of us with reservations about EVs, he picked up on the very real issue of lack of support in the way of charging away from home, i.e. if you don't have a Tesla, the poor chap was absolutely stressed out, going by his sweaty and shiny brow

Of course things will improve with time on that front, but will it match the rate that EVs numbers hit the road, hmmmm another conundrum

Watching the gent's journey down the motorway, was fine, then he starts talking about the loss of miles, okay that's interesting, then he starts trying to access a charger, good golly Miss Molly got my stomach in knots he did and I kid you not!

Hearing about the pluses re cost to drive, convenience of having the charger on hand at home, the improvements and benefits of owning one as explained in the video and by Ian, has certainly made me less weary of EVs, but I am still a long way from being cured me thinks.

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JimC64

· #246 · 4 d ago (Edited)

A wee while ago now, I remember when Dougie from Prestige Jaguar bought his .....

He had an XFR beforehand and loved those horses, the noise, the power and speed.

I'm pretty sure its the I Pace EV400 he has and loves it, said so many good things about it, AND its as fast, faster than his XFR and then some.

He uses his mostly for tootling to and from work ( probably around 8 or 10 miles each day, if that ) and local trips out here n there. Only once he had a moan and that was on a reasonably long trip, as discussed in posts above, about the range and charging availability / times.

He's still got it and cheap as chips to run, albeit not to buy initially new

Jim

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Frank

· #247 · 4 d ago

Ruby351 said:
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He certainly had a lot of pros for the Jag, but as most of us with reservations about EVs, he picked up on the very real issue of lack of support in the way of charging away from home, i.e. if you don't have a Tesla, the poor chap was absolutely stressed out, going by his sweaty and shiny brow
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Do not seem to read about this much, but this guy claims to have charged his I-Pace from a Tesla Supercharger in Breda (by coincidence, one of the few long distance places I sometimes drive to):
Using a Tesla Supercharger some thoughts… | Jaguar I-Pace Forum (ipaceforums.co.uk)
Cable length was a problem, but I think extension leads can be bought?

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Ian D

Discussion Starter · #248 · 4 d ago

Frank said:
Do not seem to read about this much, but this guy claims to have charged his I-Pace from a Tesla Supercharger in Breda (by coincidence, one of the few long distance places I sometimes drive to):
Using a Tesla Supercharger some thoughts… | Jaguar I-Pace Forum (ipaceforums.co.uk)
Cable length was a problem, but I think extension leads can be bought?

Yes, Tesla are slowly beginning to open up their charging network. You need the Tesla app and look for non-Tesla enabled superchargers.

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Frank

· #249 · 4 d ago

I just found this though, which suggests it is a test programme by Tesla in The Netherlands:
Tesla opens Superchargers to other electric cars for first time | Jaguar I-Pace Forum (ipaceforums.co.uk)

chrisjp

· #250 · 4 d ago

The Harry's Garage review of the iPace certainly had me wincing at the problems he had finding a charger that was (a) compatible with his car (b) not already occupied, (c) not broken and (d) would accept his credit card. In the end he just gave up and luckily had anough charge left to get home, despite the mismatch between predicted and actual range. The video was of course made in 2020, so it raises the question - has the charging network improved since then and has it kept up with the increased number of EVs on the road? And why on earth do these chargers not accept credit & debit cards and instead force you to install buggy apps and upload all your bank details to them?
At the moment, these drawbacks (coupled with the high prices) are enough to put me off even thinking about buying an EV

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Frank

· #251 · 4 d ago

Harry's test of the RS e-tron GT went somewhat better and it didn't suffer the sudden "disappearing miles" that the I-Pace and also a Tesla suffered during his testing:
Audi RS e-tron GT real-world review plus why fast chargers are essential to the success of EV - YouTube

Ian D

Discussion Starter · #252 · 4 d ago

chrisjp said:
The Harry's Garage review of the iPace certainly had me wincing at the problems he had finding a charger that was (a) compatible with his car (b) not already occupied, (c) not broken and (d) would accept his credit card. In the end he just gave up and luckily had anough charge left to get home, despite the mismatch between predicted and actual range. The video was of course made in 2020, so it raises the question - has the charging network improved since then and has it kept up with the increased number of EVs on the road? And why on earth do these chargers not accept credit & debit cards and instead force you to install buggy apps and upload all your bank details to them?
At the moment, these drawbacks (coupled with the high prices) are enough to put me off even thinking about buying an EV

They do allow contactless now with pretty much all of them, the network has improved since then. The apps are good to keep a record of what you’ve spend, offer discount etc, you don’t need them with the likes of InstaVolt and a few others any longer.

According to zap map there are nearly 41,000 public chargers in the UK. A 35% increase since 2022.

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mac_doctor

· #253 · 4 d ago

Ian D said:
... there are nearly 41,000 public chargers in the UK. A 35% increase since 2022.

What percentage rise in EVs in that time?

Ian D

Discussion Starter · #254 · 4 d ago

mac_doctor said:
What percentage rise in EVs in that time?

There’s approx 760k BEVs in UK as of April 2023. So that’s roughly 19 cars to 1 public charger.

Ruby351

· #255 · 4 d ago

Ian D said:
They do allow contactless now with pretty much all of them, the network has improved since then. The apps are good to keep a record of what you’ve spend, offer discount etc, you don’t need them with the likes of InstaVolt and a few others any longer.

According to zap map there are nearly 41,000 public chargers in the UK. A 35% increase since 2022.

Not wishing to put too much of a damper on things, but aren't the vast majority of these 41K chargers around the south-east of England?

Ruby351

· #256 · 4 d ago

JimC64 said:
A wee while ago now, I remember when Dougie from Prestige Jaguar bought his .....

He had an XFR beforehand and loved those horses, the noise, the power and speed.

I'm pretty sure its the I Pace EV400 he has and loves it, said so many good things about it, AND its as fast, faster than his XFR and then some.

He uses his mostly for tootling to and from work ( probably around 8 or 10 miles each day, if that ) and local trips out here n there. Only once he had a moan and that was on a reasonably long trip, as discussed in posts above, about the range and charging availability / times.

He's still got it and cheap as chips to run, albeit not to buy initially new

Jim

Sounds as though Dougie is well pleased with his EV, but from what you say, it is all a bit confusing and in one hand and out the other like, in an amusing and not mocking way I mean i.e. he likes the horses power and speed of the XFR, but his new I-Pace is faster and then some, yet he mostly tootles about and averages 9 miles or so on a working day and locals trips there after. As we know the I-Pace costs a bomb to buy new, but cheap as chips to run, especially given he suspected annual mileage, and that he has only had one reasonably long journey which left him somewhat unhappy due to the range/charging availability/time involved ... yup, now that did make me smile Jim

Frank

· #257 · 4 d ago

Ruby351 said:
Not wishing to put too much of a damper on things, but aren't the vast majority of these 41K chargers around the south-east of England?

I live in the South East but they wouldn't actually help much except for a quick top up in order to reach back home. I would be more interested, should I ever switch to EV, about how many decent chargers there are at 150+ miles away.

Ian D

Discussion Starter · #258 · 3 d ago

There’s more than you think.

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jberks

· #259 · 3 d ago

In truth, for most of us, runs of 250+ are pretty rare. For 99% of the time, an IPace would do just fine for me. I had an unexpected trip come up recently but it’s maybe 100 miles in total so it’s not as if that would trouble most EVs. These days I rarely get more than 10 miles from home. (The flip side of that is my XF will last me years yet!)
But there’s always that niggling concern, what if I suddenly needed to do Leeds to Brighton and back in a day. Did it once many years ago. Then it would need some planning. Not likely to happen if I’m realistic though.

The earlier conversations about test drives caught my eye. When I bought the Jag, I’d just done a test drive in an E350cdi Merc. A 20 minute city centre tour of traffic light and speed cameras. What a joke. Left the dealer disgusted. Took an XF out. We were out for over an hour. A roads , winding lanes and motorways. The dealer had worked out a route and it was perfect.
Then when I went back the next day and said, it was nice but not quite mad enough…what about that S? Did the same again.
When we bought our first Freelander2 they threw us the keys and said go and have fun.
Makes such a difference. How they sell with 20 min runs I’ve no idea.

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JimC64

· #260 · 3 d ago

jberks said:
In truth, for most of us, runs of 250+ are pretty rare. For 99% of the time, an IPace would do just fine for me. I had an unexpected trip come up recently but it’s maybe 100 miles in total so it’s not as if that would trouble most EVs. These days I rarely get more than 10 miles from home. (The flip side of that is my XF will last me years yet!)
But there’s always that niggling concern, what if I suddenly needed to do Leeds to Brighton and back in a day. Did it once many years ago. Then it would need some planning. Not likely to happen if I’m realistic though.

The earlier conversations about test drives caught my eye. When I bought the Jag, I’d just done a test drive in an E350cdi Merc. A 20 minute city centre tour of traffic light and speed cameras. What a joke. Left the dealer disgusted. Took an XF out. We were out for over an hour. A roads , winding lanes and motorways. The dealer had worked out a route and it was perfect.
Then when I went back the next day and said, it was nice but not quite mad enough…what about that S? Did the same again.
When we bought our first Freelander2 they threw us the keys and said go and have fun.
Makes such a difference. How they sell with 20 min runs I’ve no idea.

100% JB It all starts after viewing of course, with the test drive, it can make or break a decision.

Bear in mind we're not talking about a cheap run around, there's a fair few £££££ to shell out, I'd want to be sure

Jim

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