S Type R - Worlds fastest saloon car when launched?

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This is one of those facts that I remember reading somewhere. Is it true and if so, why didn't Jaguar make more of a deal about it?
I know that both the E55 and V10 M5 usurped it but where was the RS6 in 2002?
I presume they were talking 0-60, or was it top speed? Without the limiter?

Just wondered if anyone knew more about it and to maybe spread the word, if it is true.

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If I remember rightly the Lotus Carlton held that title for some time I believe it topped out at 177mph and 0 to 60mph in 5.2 secs
 

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Wikipedia says:

The official performance figures are 0–97 km/h (60 mph) acceleration time of 4.8 seconds and an electronically limited top speed of 250 km/h (155 mph).[37][38] In testing, an unrestricted M5 reached a top speed in excess of 300 km/h (186 mph).[39] The E39 M5 recorded a Nurburgring lap time of 8:20[37]

So the 1998-2003 M5 was already a faster saloon. The S-type has comparatively poor drag - top speed suffers and acceleration was also a little shy of the best. I honestly don't believe that the S-Type R was ever the fastest saloon. Fastest Jaguar saloon most probably. Anyway, who cares? I would much rather have an S-Type than a 5 Series.
 

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If I remember rightly the Lotus Carlton held that title for some time I believe it topped out at 177mph and 0 to 60mph in 5.2 secs

The lotus Carlton was only sold between 1990 till 1992. A friend of me had 1 and it was fast car but not reliable and it had some rust issues.

but where was the RS6 in 2002?

Yes. The production of the second generation RS6 started in 2002 and ended in 2004. With 590 hp it was faster then the BMW M5.

And Mercedes had some very fast models in the early 2000's.

So no Jaguar was not the fasted saloon car and it never will even if they wanted to because the power was lower then the BMW or a RS6 and the lack of a decent LSD that made it slower. The lack of a decent LSD is a company discussion in favor of Austin Martin as with a decent LSD the jag would be as fast or even faster then a Austin Martin.
 

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I dug out an old Top Gear mag from 2002. I think, prior to the Audi RS6 launch, there may be a case for the STR being the fastest production saloon.
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Currently the S6 is the fastest Audi

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Jag STR launched

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E55 AMG showing at 5.7 (350bhp)

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BMW M5, same 0-60 but only 369 lbs ft of torque.

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I dug out an old Top Gear mag from 2002. I think, prior to the Audi RS6 launch, there may be a case for the STR being the fastest production saloon.

The production of the Audi RS6 started in July 2002. 2 months later then the STR.

The STR had some more Audi competition: The Audi B5 S4 v6 twin turbo. The B5 S4 claims acceleration from 0 to 100 km/h (0.0 to 62.1 mph) in 4.9 seconds, and has an electronically limited top speed of 250 km/h (155.3 mph).

I actually looked at the Audi 2.7 v6 twin turbo and the Audi V8 engines for the Ford 20M as these engines make some serieus HP and where cheap but i abandoned the idea as the Audi V6/V8 is to wide. So wide that it would not fit between the shock towers.
 

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The production of the Audi RS6 started in July 2002. 2 months later then the STR.

The STR had some more Audi competition: The Audi B5 S4 v6 twin turbo. The B5 S4 claims acceleration from 0 to 100 km/h (0.0 to 62.1 mph) in 4.9 seconds, and has an electronically limited top speed of 250 km/h (155.3 mph).

I actually looked at the Audi 2.7 v6 twin turbo and the Audi V8 engines for the Ford 20M as these engines make some serieus HP and where cheap but i abandoned the idea as the Audi V6/V8 is to wide. So wide that it would not fit between the shock towers.
So maybe, 'Worlds fastest production saloon' for 2 months.
 

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The Arnage T, also from 2002, was claimed to be the most powerful roadgoing Bentley at its launch at the Detroit Motor Show. As with the Arnage R, there were twin-turbochargers, but the engine was tuned and rated at a higher power output of 456 PS (335 kW; 450 hp) and 875 N⋅m (645 lbf⋅ft) of torque. The Arnage T's 0–97 km/h (60 mph) time is 5.5 seconds and it has a claimed top speed of 274 km/h (170 mph).

The Jag STR is 0.1 sec faster. Thank to its "low" weight of 1800 kilo against the 2320 kg of the Arnage.

I found this article where they compare the STR against its main rival the M5.

On paper they have the similar HP/torque and weight but looking at the performance its the M5 that beats the STR in every department. M5 is the fastest by considerable margin. So why was that???
 

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The lotus Carlton was only sold between 1990 till 1992. A friend of me had 1 and it was fast car but not reliable and it had some rust issues.



Yes. The production of the second generation RS6 started in 2002 and ended in 2004. With 590 hp it was faster then the BMW M5.

And Mercedes had some very fast models in the early 2000's.

So no Jaguar was not the fasted saloon car and it never will even if they wanted to because the power was lower then the BMW or a RS6 and the lack of a decent LSD that made it slower. The lack of a decent LSD is a company discussion in favor of Austin Martin as with a decent LSD the jag would be as fast or even faster then a Austin Martin.
Surely the RS6 4.2 V8 was 'only' 450BHP ?

It was the later V10 version that was 572 BHP, 2008 onwards I think ?
 
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