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Lost it
Pleasantly surprised to discover that my 2004 Peugeot Expert van and my 2001 Jaguar X type 3.0 and my 2005 X Type 2.2 derv all appear to pass the emissions limit set out for the new T charge in London.

Was preparing to make it Bike only up there...

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/emissions-surcharge
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Jim_S-V6_2004
Operating hours are Mon-Fri 07:00-18:00

Vehicles included

Cars, vans, minibuses, buses, coaches and HGVs, motorised caravans and horseboxes, breakdown and recovery vehicles, private ambulances, motor hearses, dual purpose vehicles and other specialist vehicle types that do not meet the minimum Euro emission standards are subject to the T-Charge.

Motorised tricycles and quadricycles that are subject to the Congestion Charge are also affected. Motorcycles are not subject to the T-Charge.
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Exempted vehicles:
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The following will receive a 100% discount on the T-Charge:

- Blue Badge Holders that have registered your vehicle(s) with TfL

- Accredited breakdown or roadside recovery vehicles that been have registered with TfL

- If you have a motor tricycle which is one metre or less wide, and two metres or less long

The following are exempt from paying the T-Charge:

- London licensed Taxis and Private Hire Vehicles

- Emergency service vehicles such as ambulances, fire engines, NHS vehicles and Ministry of Defence vehicles

- Commercial vehicles built before 1973
Vehicles with a historic tax class (40 years and older)
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Jim_S-V6_2004
The 2.5-litre S Type (2004+) is subject to the charge.

So is the 2002 Merc E320CDi

Surprise! ;)
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Jim_S-V6_2004
So if you need to go into the T zone every working day and are not exempted, the congestion and T charges will amount to £10 each per day, £440 a month.

That's £5,280 per year for both.

So that will give you a brand new £20,000 electric (or other exempted) new car every 4 years.

You'll still pay the C charge.

You should be able to sell it for half that, recovering the T charge.

So on closer analysis...

We should do it, it's half a free car! ;)

Or you lose £10k+ every 4 years.

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owl
Just avoid London.
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E
Very simple solution;

buy a car more than 40 years old that qualifies for VED exemption!
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Why anybody would want to drive in London is beyond me.
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Jim_S-V6_2004
Sometimes convenience to save time or money since public transport doesn't always go from your Point A to your Point B easily.

But mostly for deliveries and services?

Maybe Lost One you or anyone else working in London T Zone can tell us if you see a drop in traffic when you're next travelling in and out, compared to until now?

The true objective was to reduce pollution levels to avoid future EU imposed fines, after all.
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Z
Just ran my jag through the TFL check for exemption and their website says that it is a Mercedes 220CDI!!!!.
The plate used to be on the Merc bet was transferred to the Jag 12 months ago.
If they are using an old database this will throw up all sorts of charges to people who should not pay them.
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Fat Boy Slim
Interesting checking out your cars.

My X type 2.2 2009 is exempt as is my X300 1997. I would have thought my X300 would have been charged but as I will never take it into London, who cares?

Tony
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Fat Boy Slim said:
Interesting checking out your cars.

My X type 2.2 2009 is exempt as is my X300 1997. I would have thought my X300 would have been charged but as I will never take it into London, who cares?

Tony
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Just think of your future car selling advert;

'Exempt from TfL toxic charge,so must be worth lots of dosh'!

:-D
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Rowley_1812
Interesting that Lost it suggests his '05 X type 2.2d is exempt and yet my '05 (55 - Nov) X type 2.0d appears not to be. Could it be something to do with the dreaded DPF which mine does not have?

I've read on this forum and elsewhere that all X types from 2005 onwards were Euro-4 compliant but given the above this now seems not to be the case.

A bit of hasty research finds that the pre-Euro-4 CO2 figure is 149 g/km whereas the Euro-4 figure is 152 g/km. My V5C states 149 which implies that it's pre-Euro-4 ... does that mean it's Euro-3? If so then it's a 2005 Euro-3 which further disproves the above.

And then there's comment about upgrading the EGR and modifying the turbo to achieve the emission reductions in the first place, whilst this may have been the manufacturer's means of an amend is there a way now to upgrade mine to become exempt?

As you might guess, I have been known to drive to Central London occasionally but this may now be a reason for me not to - which, presumably, is why the legislation is being enacted!
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Jim_S-V6_2004
I'd hate to find that there is no vehicle class covering every car of a year and model, and we can try to certify our own individual cars?

That would mean the onus being on us to keep exemption too.

Or several cutoffs as you seem to have, Rowley.

Maybe it's more important than we thought that more members should check and note whether theirs is exempt?

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This is from the TFL website:-

For newer vehicles, the Euro emission standard may be listed on the V5C in section D.2. If your vehicle meets the required Euro emission standard, it will also meet the required T-Charge standard.The T-Charge standard is:

  • Euro 3 for quadricycles or motorised tricycles (motorcycles are not subject to the T-Charge)
  • Euro 4 for cars, vans and minibuses
  • Euro IV for HGVs, buses and coaches
A small number of vehicles manufactured before the Euro 4/Euro IV standard became mandatory will have NOx and PM emissions that meet Euro 4/Euro IV or better. These vehicles are referred to as early adopters and will not be subject to the T-Charge.

So basically you need to be Euro 4 compliant.

My 2006 2.7 Diesel S -Type has a DPF and is therefore Euro 4 compliant.

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Zooman said:
For newer vehicles, the Euro emission standard may be listed on the V5C in section D.2.
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But for older vehicles it seems not to.

Section D.2 on my V5C does not state "Euro-3' or 'Euro-4' it simply states a variant and a version, in my case 'SAG1' and '5HHH F' respectively, neither coding of which means tiddly squat to me :-? .

So it would seem, as Jim suggests, that each of us may need to check independently by reg number.
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rchiv
My 2006 2.2 is exempt but only until 2020 by which time I will probably go for a pre 1973 or a Historic tax class :confused:.
By the way a Blue Badge holder is not exempt but if you have the Disabled passenger vehicle tax class then it is.

Roger
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owl
No charge for my 2007 diesel either!
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rchiv
I do hope everyone realizes that from 2020 we will require Euro 6 which means a 2014/15 vehicle. Also one should be aware that other Cities are looking at it too. Start saving:-D

Roger
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Lost it
Jim_S-V6_2004 said:
The 2.5-litre S Type (2004+) is subject to the charge.

So is the 2002 Merc E320CDi

Surprise! ;)
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Well that's wierd? So the X type is cleaner? Y902BLB

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/emissions-surcharge/vrm-checker
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Lost it
Rowley_1812 said:
Interesting that Lost it suggests his '05 X type 2.2d is exempt and yet my '05 (55 - Nov) X type 2.0d appears not to be. Could it be something to do with the dreaded DPF which mine does not have?

I've read on this forum and elsewhere that all X types from 2005 onwards were Euro-4 compliant but given the above this now seems not to be the case.

A bit of hasty research finds that the pre-Euro-4 CO2 figure is 149 g/km whereas the Euro-4 figure is 152 g/km. My V5C states 149 which implies that it's pre-Euro-4 ... does that mean it's Euro-3? If so then it's a 2005 Euro-3 which further disproves the above.

And then there's comment about upgrading the EGR and modifying the turbo to achieve the emission reductions in the first place, whilst this may have been the manufacturer's means of an amend is there a way now to upgrade mine to become exempt?

As you might guess, I have been known to drive to Central London occasionally but this may now be a reason for me not to - which, presumably, is why the legislation is being enacted!
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My 2.2 doesn't have DPF but my understanding is that if it has an electrical connection to the EGR it's Euro 4 compliant. You may have to ask Jaguar to confirm this though.

https://www.testdriven.co.uk/jaguar-x-type-diesel-now-euro-iv-compliant/
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