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#1 ·
We seem to have started discussing pensions on the DevonDavid thread,I guess that was my fault! :-D

When one is approaching retirement,it is nessesary to ensure that you have a decent income that is also tax efficent...

Bear in mind that your personal allowance for the next tax year is ÂŁ12500,all income above this level is taxable....but is it?

You also have a tax free allowance for 'Capital Gain',which I think is still ÂŁ10800.

So,your total tax-free allowance is actually ÂŁ23300....but that is still not the whole picture.

All income from ISA's is tax free,and the only limit with ISA's is the yearly amount that one can pay in,currently ÂŁ20k pa.

So if,as is now allowed under the pension changes that came into effect about three years back,one takes the 25% tax free lump and places the first ÂŁ20k into an income providing ISA,that extra income is tax free.It is possible to find such investments that will pay at around 9 to 10% pa.
Any remaining funds from this lump sum should be invested into a Capital Gain type investment so the eventual 'gain' (income)counts against your 'Capital Gain' allowance mentioned above.As these investments mature,they can be switched into ISA's to gain further tax free income.

When I retired,some four years back,I had already taken my RAF pension and paid tax on it via PAYE.I also took two other small pension's which were treated in the same way.
My state pension is treated for tax purposes as the first 'lump' of my personal allowance,leaving the remainder of my personal allowance to be split between the other three pensions,so I ended up being taxed on all three.Bad news.

I had also earned a third occupational pension,and I drew that under the new rules as a single lump.I had to pay income tax on it,but the tax year that I drew it gave me a total income just under the 40% upper band,and I was able to claim back some of the tax paid as the pension provider was obliged by HMRC to 'assume' that I would pay at the 40% rate on some of this income.
From this lump,I put ÂŁ20k into an ISA that pays me a quarterly tax free income,the remainder was placed into an investment that gives me a 'Capital Gain'

I mentioned above that I had drawn two small pensions that I was paying PAYE on.
Over the last three years,I have been able to swap this very small income(one paid ÂŁ28pm and the other ÂŁ368pa)for lump sums.The lump is taxable,of course,but the first one now produces a tax free equivilent of ÂŁ35pm,the second one lands next Feb so will form a part of next years ISA!

Bear in mind that all of the above also applies to your wife/partner,so surplus lump sums can be switched between partners to gain extra ISA's each year.
 
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#2 ·
.......Bear in mind that your personal allowance for the next tax year is ÂŁ12500,all income above this level is taxable....but is it?

You also have a tax free allowance for 'Capital Gain',which I think is still ÂŁ10800.

So,your total tax-free allowance is actually ÂŁ23300....but that is still not the whole picture.

All income from ISA's is tax free,and the only limit with ISA's is the yearly amount that one can pay in,currently ÂŁ20k pa.

So if,as is now allowed under the pension changes that came into effect about three years back,one takes the 25% tax free lump and places the first ÂŁ20k into an income providing ISA,that extra income is tax free.It is possible to find such investments that will pay at around 9 to 10% pa.
Any remaining funds from this lump sum should be invested into a Capital Gain type investment so the eventual 'gain' (income)counts against your 'Capital Gain' allowance mentioned above.As these investments mature,they can be switched into ISA's to gain further tax free income......
Capital Gains relief allowance only applies if your captial actual gains and doesn't lose. My shares have gone down and down this year.

By the way, you can also put away ÂŁ2,880 pa which the Government make up to ÂŁ3,600 in a Stakeholder investment making an instant gain of ÂŁ720.
 
#3 ·
Capital Gains relief allowance only applies if your captial actual gains and doesn't lose. My shares have gone down and down this year.
I use an ISA based share dealing account as one ISA,like you,I have had some success and some lead balloons! :-D

But for the serious capital gains,I use these;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structured_product

You need to shop around for the best rates,though.
When you buy such a product,it is linked to the performance of,for example,the FTSE 100 or a basket of share index values.The greater the risk,the higher the reward!
These can be purchased from Fair Investment Co.,or my current favourite Lowes.co.uk .You pay the broker a % to buy in,Lowes charge 1.65%,Fair charge 3%.....
Your gamble is that the linked item rises by a set amount or remains static.
For example;
You invest ÂŁ20k via an ISA that pays a 10.5% return for each year held.
The FTSE 100 index is 7600 on the day the plan starts,if the index is higher on the regestration day in two years time,the plan 'kicks out' and returns to you your ÂŁ20k plus two years interest at 10.5%,or ÂŁ24200.If the index is at a lower level,the cash stays for a maximum of eight or ten years,at each anniversary it can kick out if the conditions are reached.
Bear in mind that historicaly the FTSE rises over time,take any five year period and you will see a rise.
The downside to this type of investment is that if the FTSE falls by 40% or more,you get no interest and can even lose some or all of your lump.

I'm not an IFA,so please do your own research to ensure that you are comfortable with the risk involved.
 
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#4 ·
It's not just a risk whether or not the FTSE rises, the problem with many of their investments is that your capital is at risk:

"Important Information: Structured investment plans are not capital protected and are not covered by the Financial Services Compensation Scheme (FSCS) for default alone. There is a risk of losing some or all of your initial investment due to the performance of the underlying investment. There is also a risk that the company backing the plan known as the Counterparty may be unable to repay your initial investment and any returns stated."
 
#7 ·
Spot on!

Most of my 'Structured Products' have Credit Suzzie as the counterparty,I doubt that a Swiss bank will go tits up!

:-D

So far,three have 'kicked out' at either one or two years and been re-invested.

Fair Investment emailed me yesterday with an offer of a 12.5% return,if this is still available in the next tax year via a cheaper broker I will be filling me boots.
 
#5 · (Edited)
I am a great believer its not how much money you have got but how you use it. Its ok swapping ISA's and pensions around but if you do not spend wisely its all a bit of a wasted exercise.

My 'pension plan' was dead simple. Overpay on my mortgage. Paid that off 15 years early. Then the mortgage I was not paying went into various accounts in a bit of a circular motion. Monthly interest got paid into one account then that interest....... too complicated to tell the tale but I did sit down with the manager of Halifax, as it was called then, and explained it all out. He sat there with his calculator and said something along the lines of "do you know how much interest your getting!!" Yes I did and my calculations matched his. This was when you got a decent rate of interest on your savings, not the piddly 0.5% or whatever it is now. Been lucky in that I have always been a good saver.

The sum result is that I have a simple occupational pension now. I retired at 45. Live in a very modest home, in the countryside. Live well within my means and have a few K, well quite a few K, to live on as well a three other sources of income/pensions. So no worries regarding bills. Have a house over my head. Money in the bank where I struggle to know what to spend it on, and no I wont adopt you. :D Have two cars, including my nice Jag. Down to one racehorse now, we did have shares in 10 at one time. Happy to say we do enjoy a good standard of living with no financial worries. If I want or my wife wants something I can just buy it. I have never had anything on credit. Always saved, bartered then bought.

I also have this habbit of finding what I like/want. Doing a lot of research to ensure I have the right product in mind. Then find the best way of getting it not just going online and buying the first I find. Just bought a Jacket. Normal price ÂŁ400+ got mine for less than ÂŁ150. One of my Christmas presi's to myself.

So as you will see I am no financial wizard. Just kept things simple. Now reaping the rewards.:mrgreen:
 
#6 ·
You lucky lot. I was made redundant as an accountant after 23 years in 1991(this was before the new redundancy rates emerged in Jan 1992)so I didn't get a lot for my service. I applied for over 400 jobs but only got close on 2 occasions but no go. I left my non contributory final salary pension (which I had a hand in establishing) where it was as it was with the Scottish Widows at the time. I became an Auto Electrician (I had always done my own mechanics and electrics from the age of 14 so I knew a bit) and made just enough to live on. I had 3 young children, a Wife and an indexed linked Mortgage so it was difficult. My mortgage was due to finish in 2004 but as things were hard and I let the insurance lapse. The insurance paid off a chunk of the mortgage and I took a repayment remortgage for the balance which finished in 2014. Never earned enough as a self employed electrician to take an extra personal pension so things never picked up until my Occupational pension came in 2008 and that was when my income bettered my expenses. I spent a portion of the tax free amount on the Jag as I looked at it as something the Company owed me. A bonus came in 2014 when I got the Government pension plus the Serps and for the first time my Company pension covered all my bills so things were looking up. I retired in 2014 as there was little work around for a general auto electrician due to the technical improvements on the modern vehicle and the reduction in ownership of old vehicles due to the governments cash for scrap scheme. I therefore sold my van (but kept all my tools) and devoted myself to self preservation and to helping the members on here.:-D

Roger