I am thinking of changing my 5.0 Litre petrol XK for a diesel XF. I don't want the 2.0 litre engine. Are there any issues with the 3.0 litre engine that I should be aware of. At present the biggest issue seems to be finding a low mileage example from say 2018 to 2020.
Norman E
The 3.0 diesel can suffer from some pretty big issues but most of these are related to the ever tightening emissions targets and the installation on certain vehicles.
The 3.0 diesel seems pretty happy in the X260 where the DPF is close coupled. If your intended mileage is low, you’re better off with a petrol engine. Which probably means 4 cylinder in the years you’re looking at.
The 3.0 diesel seems pretty happy in the X260 where the DPF is close coupled. If your intended mileage is low, you’re better off with a petrol engine. Which probably means 4 cylinder in the years you’re looking at.
Time for a change eh Norman?
Hope you find the one you're looking for, good info from MrKis pointing you in the right direction so you can make an informed decision
Jim
Hope you find the one you're looking for, good info from MrKis pointing you in the right direction so you can make an informed decision
Jim
I bought a 3.0d XF back in 2014. I still have it. now with 118k on the clock. It's still my daily and cruises over the pennines and back twice a week. Brilliant, gutsy engine.
Like all cars, regular maintenance and keep things clean and they'll do stellar mileages.
Foibles - the engine itself can snap cranks. Common in Landrovers but very rare in Jaguars. Poor maintenance and they can suffer lower end wear. Inlet manifolds are plastic and can split. EGR,turbo issues as with all modern diesels.
Cam belt at 7 years 110k.
So regular oil changes, run some fuel detergent through every month or so and it will last forever.
Like all cars, regular maintenance and keep things clean and they'll do stellar mileages.
Foibles - the engine itself can snap cranks. Common in Landrovers but very rare in Jaguars. Poor maintenance and they can suffer lower end wear. Inlet manifolds are plastic and can split. EGR,turbo issues as with all modern diesels.
Cam belt at 7 years 110k.
So regular oil changes, run some fuel detergent through every month or so and it will last forever.
Interesting replies, thank you all. I love the XK but I am now suffering a trapped nerve in my left side which is making the seat uncomfortable. I have looked at several cars as potential replacements. The XK is mainly used for continental trips as the roads around here are just too broken and potholed for the Jaguar. I don't want another black car and so far most of the decent potential replacements have either been black, or in the case of VW group vehicles, painted in what I can only describe as grey primer. Aside from Jaguars, the best car I have looked at was a Skoda Octavia Vrs.
An XE would fit my garage easier than an XF, but somehow I just don't really fancy one, as the diesels are mostly slower than my old Seat Leon FR diesel runabout, whilst the XE offers less space than the Octavia. I would like an F type, but it does not offer enough space for our continental trips and would probably give me the same seat problem.
An XE would fit my garage easier than an XF, but somehow I just don't really fancy one, as the diesels are mostly slower than my old Seat Leon FR diesel runabout, whilst the XE offers less space than the Octavia. I would like an F type, but it does not offer enough space for our continental trips and would probably give me the same seat problem.
I was in the local Jaguar dealer as I'm now looking to replace my X Type with an X260. I spoke to the service manager, told him my mileage (6k PA) and he said under no circumstances get a diesel, said he's a floor full of DPFs upstairs. He initially recommended a 3.0 Supercharged, said he's never had to do an engine on one of those, but I'm looking more at a 70/21 plate rather than a 66/67 so it'll be a 2.0 petrol.
At those mileages and that journey profile, petrol is the way to go for you and I love my 2016 XF S 3 litre supercharged. You can still get a 3 litre supercharged from 2018 but they are rarer. I found the 2 litre had bad turbo lag. The supercharged doesn't suffer from that, although transmission lag is still a problem. But that's another topic.
To balance the above with positives about a DPF on a 3 litre diesel, in my experience they can be perfectly ok. If you get an Amber DPF full warning:
Go on a drive for 20 to 30 minutes, with the car warmed up, at least 25% tank full and at a steady speed of between 45 mph and 70 mph. Best to use cruise control, as traffic permits. Do NOT try to keep high revs or "drive it like you stole it". Aside from the fact that the Police do not like this behaviour, so it could be expensive, the high revs or too much of a demand for more gas cancel the regeneration rather than help it.
Once you have done the run and got the warning to turn off, prevention is better than cure. I ran a 3.0 diesel XF for 5 years on a diet of mostly sub 5 mile journeys, which would normally see a DPF clogged up. During that time I never even had an amber DPF warning much less a red. Reasons:
1> Have the car serviced every 10k miles or one year, whichever comes sooner. (Some people do an oil change every 6k miles; mine didn't need that.) I had my car serviced by Jaguar dealer (or specialist), so they would have used the proper C1 oil, which helps reduce DPF sooting.
2> Take the car for a good run at a sustained, steady speed of between 45 mph to 70 mph once or twice a month (roughly every 250 miles). This gives the DPF opportunity to regenerate ie burn off the soot buildup.
3> Top up the fuel more often. I topped up mine when range dropped to 100 miles. That way you have at least a quarter tank full of fuel for longer, which several general motoring sources say the car needs before initiating a DPF regeneration.
4> In cold weather, for the first 15 minutes of driving, keep accelerator pedal movements gentle and revs below 2,500. This will allow the engine to warm up and will reduce the soot deposits that would be generated if the car were to be driven hard while still cold.
5> Don't be afraid to use the loud pedal (the accelerator) every so often once the engine has warmed up. These cars respond well to being properly driven plus it increases the grin factor for the driver.
6> I did have my car engine carbon cleaned, but that was only once in 5 years and I'd been running the car for 3 years beforehand with no issues. I do believe the performance improved after the carbon clean (as measured against a friend's theoretically more powerful 275 PS Jaguar XF S; my 240 PS car held his on a 0-50 dash). However, others think a carbon clean is a waste of money. So you choose.
7> Other people advocate use of Premium Diesel every 4th fill. I can see that could be useful but my car never needed it.
8> Some people advocate adding a DPF cleaner, such as Archoil 6400d, to the fuel every so often. Again, I can see that would be useful, but my car never needed it.
The DPF warning isn't really a problem. It just means the DPF has not had proper time to regenerate. If you do get a diesel, do the above and you should be grand. But I definitely think a petrol is the way to go for you.
To balance the above with positives about a DPF on a 3 litre diesel, in my experience they can be perfectly ok. If you get an Amber DPF full warning:
Go on a drive for 20 to 30 minutes, with the car warmed up, at least 25% tank full and at a steady speed of between 45 mph and 70 mph. Best to use cruise control, as traffic permits. Do NOT try to keep high revs or "drive it like you stole it". Aside from the fact that the Police do not like this behaviour, so it could be expensive, the high revs or too much of a demand for more gas cancel the regeneration rather than help it.
Once you have done the run and got the warning to turn off, prevention is better than cure. I ran a 3.0 diesel XF for 5 years on a diet of mostly sub 5 mile journeys, which would normally see a DPF clogged up. During that time I never even had an amber DPF warning much less a red. Reasons:
1> Have the car serviced every 10k miles or one year, whichever comes sooner. (Some people do an oil change every 6k miles; mine didn't need that.) I had my car serviced by Jaguar dealer (or specialist), so they would have used the proper C1 oil, which helps reduce DPF sooting.
2> Take the car for a good run at a sustained, steady speed of between 45 mph to 70 mph once or twice a month (roughly every 250 miles). This gives the DPF opportunity to regenerate ie burn off the soot buildup.
3> Top up the fuel more often. I topped up mine when range dropped to 100 miles. That way you have at least a quarter tank full of fuel for longer, which several general motoring sources say the car needs before initiating a DPF regeneration.
4> In cold weather, for the first 15 minutes of driving, keep accelerator pedal movements gentle and revs below 2,500. This will allow the engine to warm up and will reduce the soot deposits that would be generated if the car were to be driven hard while still cold.
5> Don't be afraid to use the loud pedal (the accelerator) every so often once the engine has warmed up. These cars respond well to being properly driven plus it increases the grin factor for the driver.
6> I did have my car engine carbon cleaned, but that was only once in 5 years and I'd been running the car for 3 years beforehand with no issues. I do believe the performance improved after the carbon clean (as measured against a friend's theoretically more powerful 275 PS Jaguar XF S; my 240 PS car held his on a 0-50 dash). However, others think a carbon clean is a waste of money. So you choose.
7> Other people advocate use of Premium Diesel every 4th fill. I can see that could be useful but my car never needed it.
8> Some people advocate adding a DPF cleaner, such as Archoil 6400d, to the fuel every so often. Again, I can see that would be useful, but my car never needed it.
The DPF warning isn't really a problem. It just means the DPF has not had proper time to regenerate. If you do get a diesel, do the above and you should be grand. But I definitely think a petrol is the way to go for you.
Thanks for the reply r04drunner1, very helpful. Its a looong time since I've driven a petrol car other than the wifes old 1.6 Astra and one thing I love about my X Type is the torque, especially when the four of us are in the car, so I'm looking for that in my next car, I've no idea how torquey the petrol engines are.
I posted in the other thread about the engines that it seems that the XE and XF diesels have the DPF close enough to the engine to get enough heat for passive regenerations to occur, rather than the active regens my X -Type goes through. My car will do 5 journeys of about 3 miles each this week and then a 21 mile each way run to work on Saturday.
I see the financial advisor in a week so he'll obviously try and stop me taking too much from the pension, but I've decided I want to treat myself and it's whether I spend £18/19k on a 2018/19 3.0 or up to £22k on a newer petrol model.
I posted in the other thread about the engines that it seems that the XE and XF diesels have the DPF close enough to the engine to get enough heat for passive regenerations to occur, rather than the active regens my X -Type goes through. My car will do 5 journeys of about 3 miles each this week and then a 21 mile each way run to work on Saturday.
I see the financial advisor in a week so he'll obviously try and stop me taking too much from the pension, but I've decided I want to treat myself and it's whether I spend £18/19k on a 2018/19 3.0 or up to £22k on a newer petrol model.
I think the 2.2d and the 4.2 petrol are the most reliable XF's. But they are probably older than you wish.
Best wishes for the treatment, Norman, whatever it is. Health recovery puts car questions into context.
The Skoda Octavia VRS is a good car: a GP friend who used to go to my church had one and took me for a demo ride in it. I still love my 2016 XF S Supercharged but the Skoda was nice.
My GP church friend was impressed that "Jesus heals" nowadays. My wife and I know He does. I will pray for you.
The Skoda Octavia VRS is a good car: a GP friend who used to go to my church had one and took me for a demo ride in it. I still love my 2016 XF S Supercharged but the Skoda was nice.
My GP church friend was impressed that "Jesus heals" nowadays. My wife and I know He does. I will pray for you.
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